Re: [Raw] [EXT] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-architecture-14.txt and what's still nuclear
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Subject: Re: [Raw] [EXT] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-architecture-14.txt and what's still nuclear
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Reads very well with the changes. Am 30.07.23 um 22:38 schrieb Pascal Thubert (pthubert): > > Dear all: > > the publication of 14 adds terminologies and typos. The goal is to > serve as the new reference for the WGLC so we can use the new terms in > our discussions. If someone still uses PSE and Track, well, I guess > we'll still understand for a little while, but he will be harshly > reprimanded. > > What I did not do yet though I started is work out the positioning of > the aCPF (the component that talks asynchronously to the rCPF == PCE > to report performance and get route updates), the Point of Local > Repair (PLR is the term that replaces the PSE) and the OAM supervisor > that triggers OAM and aggregates results for the PLR. > > These are 3 new architectural blocks, and we want to position them > well in the DetNet architecture. > > The DetNet architecture (section 4.4) has 3 planes that are mapped to > classical SDN, with the controller plane in the middle, a southbound > interface to the network plane (in the case of RAW used between rCPF > and aCPF) and a northbound interface to the Application Plane. > > The Controller plane has the typical route servers like PCEs, and > network management entities. In the SDN model they are "far away" and > monitor the whole network. Which is what causing the RAW issue of lack > of reactivity and pushed us to port functionality in the network > plane. In networking planes parlance, the PCE is control plane and the > NMEs are management plane. > > As we see, though the term controller plane looks like control plane, > they are different beasts. A classical IGP is a control plane function > that operates in the DetNet network plane. The controller plane hosts > controllers, which physically may embed routing and management > entities. In the DetNet architecture, "The Controller Plane > corresponds to the aggregation of the Control and Management Planes in > [RFC7426 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7426>], though > Common Control and Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP > Working Group [CCAMP > <https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ccamp/charter/>]) makes an additional > distinction between management and measurement." > > In my book, the OAM supervisor, the aCPF and the PLR operate in the > control plane. The OAM supervisor talks to the OAM handlers in the > management plane. And all of the above being distributed in the > network, they operate in the DetNet Network plane. So 1) we extend > the DetNet architecture to place functional blocks in the Network > Plane and 2) one could say we need 3D pictures to represent the > intersection of the DetNet planes and the traditional control and > management planes. While the data plane remains firmly in the Network > plane. > > Now this is my view and the way I intend to update the text to publish > 15, hopefully quite soon. But I need confirmation that we are on the > same line, or else debates to reach a consensus. > > What do you all think? > > Pascal > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *De :* internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org> > *Envoyé :* samedi 29 juillet 2023 15:40 > *À :* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> > *Objet :* New Version Notification for draft-ietf-raw-architecture-14.txt > > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-raw-architecture-14.txt > has been successfully submitted by Pascal Thubert and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-ietf-raw-architecture > Revision: 14 > Title: Reliable and Available Wireless Architecture > Document date: 2023-07-29 > Group: raw > Pages: 43 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-raw-architecture-14.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-raw-architecture/ > Html: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-raw-architecture-14.html > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-raw-architecture > Diff: > https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url2=draft-ietf-raw-architecture-14 > > Abstract: > Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) provides for high reliability > and availability for IP connectivity across any combination of wired > and wireless network segments. The RAW Architecture extends the > DetNet Architecture and other standard IETF concepts and mechanisms > to adapt to the specific challenges of the wireless medium, in > particular intermittently lossy connectivity. This document defines > a network control loop that optimizes the use of constrained spectrum > and energy while maintaining the expected connectivity properties, > typically reliability and latency. The loop involves OAM, DetNet > Controller Plane, and PREOF extensions, and specifically a new > recovery Function called PAREO and a new Point of Local Repair > operation, that dynamically selects the DetNet path(s) for the future > packets to route around local degradations and failures. > > > > > The IETF Secretariat > > -- ****************************************************** PD Dr. rer. nat. habil. Corinna Schmitt Head of Secure Communication Systems (SeCoSys) Research Institute CODE Universität der Bundeswehr München Werner-Heisenberg-Weg 39 85577 Neubiberg, Germany Email:corinna.schmitt@unibw.de Mobil: +49 (0)1514 4821490 https://www.unibw.de/code https://www.corinna-schmitt.de
- [Raw] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-architecture-14… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Raw] [EXT] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-archi… Dr. Corinna Schmitt
- Re: [Raw] [EXT] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-archi… Xavi Vilajosana Guillen
- Re: [Raw] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-architectur… Janos Farkas
- Re: [Raw] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-architectur… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Raw] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-architectur… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Raw] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-architectur… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Raw] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-architectur… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [Raw] [Detnet] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-ar… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Raw] [Detnet] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-ar… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: [Raw] [Detnet] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-ar… Lou Berger
- Re: [Raw] [Detnet] Terminology: draft-ietf-raw-ar… Pascal Thubert