[Raw] Alvaro Retana's Discuss on draft-ietf-raw-ldacs-10: (with DISCUSS)

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[Authors:  Thank you for the work!  There's no action required from you.  My
opinion below is to be discussed with the IESG.]


I found this document very informative, and there is value in publishing it as
an RFC.  However, I don't believe it can pass the rough consensus bar set by
rfc8789 to become an IETF Stream RFC.

As mentioned by the Shepherd, this document is a "description by matter
specialists of an externally-defined link-layer".  The technology described is
an overview of work done elsewhere.  There was no discussion of the content on
the mailing list, which shows only two messages from non-authors: one asking
for more information; the reply was a pointer to the LDACS external
specification [1] -- the other was the single WGLC reply from the document
shepherd [2].

I want to discuss this question with the IESG:  Can the IETF reach rough
consensus on a document that describes someone else's technology?  This
document is akin to many others that have been published through the ISE as,
for example, a vendor's implementation of a specific protocol.

My opinion is that documents that describe someone else's technology cannot be
published as IETF RFCs given the requirement in rfc8789.


[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/raw/iyext4Ub8MgUjNYYPE7XOPpq1Y0
[2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/raw/L-ByflWTn_3vcGC8NNfMO-blkJU