[re-ECN] Two questions about CONEX

Stewart Bryant <stbryant@cisco.com> Sat, 08 May 2010 06:24 UTC

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Subject: [re-ECN] Two questions about CONEX
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As I was reading the recent email on CONEX I got the impression that a 
lot of the interest in CONEX is to instrument the network so that 
operators can identify the root causes of congestion and understand the 
impact on the network in more detail.

  I also get the impression that at least some of the operators are 
looking for a relatively long time constant in the feedback loop.

That causes me to wonder where CONEX fits in relative to IPFIX which is 
a mechanism that is designed to monitor the flows in a network and 
report this information to the network operator.

As I noted in a earlier thread, I am also interested in understanding 
why the host needs to use the data packets themselves to indicate the 
expected congestion state to the network rather than using a fate 
sharing OAM mechanism?

- Stewart