Re: [re-ECN] Charter Question
bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com Fri, 07 May 2010 18:21 UTC
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To: John Leslie <john@jlc.net>
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Subject: Re: [re-ECN] Charter Question
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On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:59:38PM -0400, John Leslie wrote: > Our principal intent is to have a forwarding-layer mechanism to > distinguish flows that intend to operate despite congestion from those > that intend to avoid congestion. Clearly routers forwarding onto > uncongested links do not need to distinguish these, while routers > that know they're forwarding onto a congested path might have reason > to treat them differently (though we don't yet know how), and > customer-facing routers might wish to enforce limits on the amount > of congestion-expected traffic. > > Generally, I don't believe we're at the point where it makes sense > to describe how routers would use the information -- so I have no > intent to speak for the list-members on this: but I do believe Ron > is entitled to some indication where we're coming from. > > We're talking about a mechanism to have a uniform view of path > congestion along a forwarding path, not about any particular method > of dealing with the congestion. We believe such information can > inform better congestion-control mechanisms extending past the > foreseeable future. ok, then I am confused by your POV. are we talking about a binary switch (congested/notcongested) or are we talking about preference/priority - with a range of values? if the former, then its not really applicable to the flow, end/end, since the "inspecting forwarder" may in fact be the cause of the congestion. if its a range, then how is this different than QOS? --bill > > -- > John Leslie <john@jlc.net> > _______________________________________________ > re-ECN mailing list > re-ECN@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/re-ecn
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