Re: [regext] draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed-02 Review Feedback

Jasdip Singh <jasdips@arin.net> Tue, 02 April 2024 13:43 UTC

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From: Jasdip Singh <jasdips@arin.net>
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Subject: Re: [regext] draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed-02 Review Feedback
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Agreed.

Thanks,
Jasdip

From: Gould, James <jgould@verisign.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 2, 2024 at 7:37 AM
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Subject: Re: Re: [regext] draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed-02 Review Feedback
Jasdip,

I view the decision to redact or not redact purely a server policy decision, where the redacted extension is available for servers to implement their policy.  My recommendation is to leave the redaction policy out of draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed altogether, so don’t include the SHOULD NOT redact language.

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From: Jasdip Singh <jasdips@arin.net>
Date: Monday, April 1, 2024 at 6:24 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: [regext] draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed-02 Review Feedback


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Thanks, James.

But, to your “use of redaction is a policy decision for a server” point, since this spec would no longer espouse redaction for geofeed files, should it instead say that “server operators SHOULD NOT redact geofeed files given they are public resources already”?

Jasdip

From: Gould, James <jgould@verisign.com>
Date: Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:30 PM
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Subject: Re: Re: [regext] draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed-02 Review Feedback
Jasdip,

I don’t see an issue with removing the redaction section from draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed, since I believe the use of redaction is a policy decision for a server.

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From: Jasdip Singh <jasdips@arin.net>
Date: Monday, April 1, 2024 at 12:12 PM
To: "Andrew Newton (andy)" <andy@hxr.us>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed-02 Review Feedback


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Hi Andy,

Thanks for your feedback. One comment below.

Jasdip

From: Andrew Newton (andy) <andy@hxr.us>
Date: Monday, April 1, 2024 at 11:42 AM
To: Jasdip Singh <jasdips@arin.net>
Cc: Gould, James <jgould@verisign.com>, regext@ietf.org <regext@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [regext] draft-ietf-regext-rdap-geofeed-02 Review Feedback
> I recommend including a registration of the "Geofeed links" redacted "name" in the RDAP JSON Values registry with the "redacted name" type field.  If registered, the "description" member can be changed to a "type" member.
>
> [JS] Good idea. Will do.

Is this really necessary? Under what conditions will a network
operator be publishing this public CSV file that then requires an RIR
to redact the link to it?

[JS] I guess we were pre-emptively trying to tackle redaction for geofeed links :) but your point about such files already being public seems to make redaction unnecessary here.

Question for the WG: Are we ok with removing redaction from the RDAP Geofeed draft?