Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise renumbering costs
Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Fri, 03 December 2010 22:10 UTC
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Subject: Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise renumbering costs
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On 2010-12-04 03:45, RJ Atkinson wrote: > > There is at least one IPv4 deployment scenario that > is pretty common right now in several areas of the > world, works pretty well for enterprise users, > provides practical amounts of provider-independence, > and probably would be worth documenting. > > > > A previous employer of mine *by choice* (specifically, > due to internal security policy choices) decided to put > nearly the whole organisation into private address space. > The exception was that public-facing content servers > were in global-scope address space, on a network segment > outside the "trusted zone" of the organisation. By > policy, access initiated from outside the trusted > zone to any node inside the trusted zone was prohibited. > So it was actively undesirable to have interior nodes > with global-scope address space. I believe these are > not unusual choices for an enterprise to make these days. Sad but true. I believe that draft-mrw-nat66 is aimed at this model, and draft-troan-multihoming-without-nat66 is aimed against it. We could consider documenting this approach, but of course it doesn't affect the subnet-reorganization form of renumbering (i.e. renumbering regardless of the "address independence" property). Brian > > While they easily could have obtained sufficient IPv4 > address space (and likely still could today) from > their upstream providers, they preferred to deploy > using private addressing with NAT-capable IPsec-capable > firewalls at the edge(s) of each site within the > organisation. > > Each site within the organisation had its own upstream > connectivity -- managed/selected/paid by centralised > IT services folks. This let the IT folks reduce cost > by selecting lower-cost providers on a site-specific > basis. > > Connectivity between sites of the organisation was > enabled using IPsec encrypted tunnels between those > same edge firewall devices. > > This had the effect of offering provider-independence, > because only the (1 or 2) Firewall devices at a given site > needed to renumber their exterior network interfaces > if that site's upstream provider set changed. > > Crucially, by using MBOX-style identity types > (e.g. site-11@organisation.foo) in the IKE configurations, > there was no need to reconfigure firewalls or nodes > at other sites if a given site's upstream connectivity > changed. > > For M&A, an acquired organisation's sites would be > renumbered into a suitable chunk of private address > space and migrated into the above schema. Because > most organisations now use DHCP, the amount of > manual configuration involved in site renumbering > was minimised and turned out to be quite tractable > to undertake manually. > > > This doesn't help everyone and isn't completely general, > but it does apply to a very common type of user organisation. > It could be very helpful to document the above for the > benefit of those organisations who choose to use it. > > I suspect there are other specific items that would be > useful to folks with IPv4 deployments. So I think that > IPv4 efforts ought to remain within-scope, even if IPv6 > were perceived as the "sweet spot" for improvements. > > Yours, > > Ran > > > _______________________________________________ > renum mailing list > renum@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/renum >
- [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise ren… RJ Atkinson
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… Fred Baker
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… Fred Baker
- Re: [renum] IPv4/IPv6 deployment scenarios to min… Fred Baker
- Re: [renum] IPv4/IPv6 deployment scenarios to min… Fred Baker
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… Teco Boot
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… Fred Baker
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… RJ Atkinson
- Re: [renum] IPv4 deployment scenarios to minimise… RJ Atkinson
- Re: [renum] IPv4/IPv6 deployment scenarios to min… Brian E Carpenter