Re: [rfc-i] Scaling SVG graphics

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 25 May 2022 23:03 UTC

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Subject: Re: [rfc-i] Scaling SVG graphics
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I think we don't even have a clear understanding of who is in charge.

Off topic, but my draft list of topics for the future RSWG includes:

(8) Format evolution.

The policy question is to decide who is in charge of format
evolution. Who debates and who decides? The technical
details (e.g. XML2RFC fixes, SVG usability) don't belong
in the RSWG, so where do they belong?

Regards
    Brian

On 25-May-22 18:38, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Given the seeming uniformity of opinion that things are broken, is there
> a similar consensus as to what Good looks like, and has someone written
> that up?
> 
> Eliot
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