Re: [Rfced-future] Comments on draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-12

[Peter Saint-Andre <[e-mail]>]

On 3/11/22 7:19 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
> 
> 
> --On Thursday, March 10, 2022 13:40 -0800 Benjamin Kaduk
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
>>>> "This document requires that the RPC document registry value
>>>> assignments made by IANA."
>>>
>>> That's pretty much what it said before, no? ;-)
>>>
>>> I suggest this in the "RPC Responsibilities" section:
>>>
>>> 14. Ensuring that RFCs accurately document registry value
>>> assignments made by IANA.
>>>
>>> For the avoidance of doubt, we could also say the same thing
>>> under the  IANA considerations.
>>
>> That does remove the bits I was confused about, but to me it
>> also seems to change the semantics somewhat.  Namely, now the
>> RPC is just consuming things produced by IANA, which could be
>> seen as removing the possibility to coordinate on which
>> allocations are actually to be made, from what range(s), etc.,
>> that the previous text seems to have implied.  I think I have
>> seen the RPC notice things in editing that would affect what
>> IANA does, and thus am not confident that describing this as a
>> unidirectional flow would be entirely accurate.  (Whether such
>> coordination could occur between RPC and IANA in an informal
>> manner so as to get the right thing to happen anyway, is
>> another question.)
> 
> In practice, it has always been a two-way flow, even when the
> RFC Editor and IANA held discussions by looking into a mirror.
> And even with that level of coordination, it has often been a
> bit of a dance because of the long-standing principle that RFCs
> do not direct IANA to assign, or even request, particular code
> points.  So please try to write the text along the lines Ben
> suggests, e.g., as something more like "Coordinate with IANA as
> necessary to ensure that any registry value assignments that
> actually appear RFCs are consistent with the registries."

What I suggested most recently was:

14. Coordinating with IANA to ensure that RFCs accurately document
     registration processes and assigned values for IANA registries.

Note that this mentions registration processes in addition to assigned 
values, because many RFCs establish registries and the processes for 
registering values in those registries need to be correct, too.

Peter