re: [RRG] GSE?
Xu Xiaohu <xuxh@huawei.com> Fri, 13 June 2008 02:31 UTC
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From: Xu Xiaohu <xuxh@huawei.com>
Subject: re: [RRG] GSE?
To: 'Brian E Carpenter' <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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Hi Brain > I think the interesting question is: how many of those > issues apply to ILNP? Reasonable. These two proposals are much similar except that ILNP gives the hosts some capability to suggest the upstream ISP (RG) if I understood them correctly. Xiaohu XU > On 2008-06-12 16:29, Xu Xiaohu wrote: > > Hi Tony and Lixia, > > > > How about launching the review and discussion on the listed issues of GSE > in > > draft-ietf-ipngwg-esd-analysis-05 one by one, so as to see whether some of > > them are still big issues from current point of view and to find something > > we can do now to fix these issues? > > > > Best regards, > > Xiaohu XU > > > >> -----邮件原件----- > >> 发件人: owner-rrg@psg.com [mailto:owner-rrg@psg.com] 代表 Tony Li > >> 发送时间: 2008年6月12日 1:35 > >> 收件人: 'Mayutan A.'; 'Robin Whittle' > >> 抄送: 'Routing Research Group' > >> 主题: RE: [RRG] GSE? > >> > >> > >> Hi Mayutan, Robin, > >> > >> Isn't the Six-One proposal by Christian Vogt an enhancement of the > >> GSE. > >> http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-vogt-rrg-six-one-01.txt > >> > >> Correct me if I am wrong. > >> > >> You are exactly correct. I still encourage folks to read GSE > > independently, > >> just so you have some perspective on Christian's changes. > >> > >> Also, some of the work that Ran Atkinson has done has been in part derived > >> from GSE. > >> > >> > >> GSE seems to have been developed briefly around 1997. I > >> understand > >> that applying it to IPv6 as used today would involve major > >> changes > >> in routers, host stacks and some or all applications. > >> > >> There may well be some major attractions in doing this, if > >> it could > >> be done, but it sounds like a radical thing on which to bet > >> the > >> future of the Net. > >> > >> > >> Welcome to the IRTF. Our job is research. No job too large, no change > >> unthinkable. > >> > >> > >> Could you or someone else put together a proposal and link > >> to it > >> from the RRG wiki? An 8 page summary and analysis document > >> would be > >> good too. > >> > >> > >> Others should feel free to step up here. I'm trying to remain neutral. > >> > >> > >> A crucial part of this would be the time-frame for > >> transitioning the > >> current IPv6 system to whatever it is you are planning, and > >> then > >> having a transition plan for most end-users from IPv4 to the > >> new system. > >> > >> I think it would also be good to explain why you would > >> prefer to do > >> this in a hurry for IPv6 - due to whatever urgency you or > >> other > >> people might think about the IPv4 scaling problem - rather > >> than > >> fixing the IPv4 problem with a map-encap scheme and then > >> being able > >> to take more time on whatever it is you propose for IPv6. > >> > >> > >> I'm not in a hurry to do anything. There's no need. I'd much rather Get > > It > >> Right. Whatever we do here is forever. > >> > >> > >> I haven't read enough to know how it provides multihoming > >> and > >> portability (of the ESD part of the address) when changing > >> ISPs. > >> > >> > >> The ESD would be a constant when changing ISPs. That's the whole point. > >> Identifiers are decoupled from locators. > >> > >> > >> So how does the Routing Goop and STP get set when the packet > >> leaves > >> the site for another? Does a router change them or does the > >> sending > >> host have to get it right. Does there need to be a mapping > >> function > >> and consequently a mapping database to determine what to set > >> these > >> to, since the ESD is what uniquely identifies the > >> destination host? > >> > >> > >> Presumably set by a router when you exit the subnet and/or the site. Yes, > >> there needs to be a mapping database to determine destination RG and ESD. > >> One might reasonably extend DNS to do this. No mapping database is needed > >> in the site's local routers as they would presumably be configured with > > the > >> RG or learn it via some other management mechanism such as SNMP, DHCP, the > >> IGP, or your favorite NMS. > >> > >> > >> What lead to the demise of GSE ten years ago? > >> > >> > >> I wasn't directly involved, but my read was that it was politics. Because > >> it modified v6, it was unacceptable to those that felt that v6 was > > perfect. > >> We seem to be over that now... > >> > >> Regards, > >> Tony > >> > >> > >> -- > >> to unsubscribe send a message to rrg-request@psg.com with the > >> word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > >> archive: <http://psg.com/lists/rrg/> & ftp://psg.com/pub/lists/rrg > > > > > > > > -- > > to unsubscribe send a message to rrg-request@psg.com with the > > word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > > archive: <http://psg.com/lists/rrg/> & ftp://psg.com/pub/lists/rrg > > > > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to rrg-request@psg.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: <http://psg.com/lists/rrg/> & ftp://psg.com/pub/lists/rrg -- to unsubscribe send a message to rrg-request@psg.com with the word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. archive: <http://psg.com/lists/rrg/> & ftp://psg.com/pub/lists/rrg
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