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John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Sun, 29 October 2023 17:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Rswg] draft-mcquistin-augmented-ascii-diagrams
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>> without needing an extra kludge to look for the special phrase.
>
> The "special phrase" is semantically meaningful to name the packet 
> format. Similarly, the structured text following the diagram conveys 
> meaning. These are both semantically part of the packet description 
> format.

Oh, OK, then we need to define XML attributes or elements for those, too. 
That's not a big deal.

Looking for magic phrases in the text is a complete non-starter.  The 
whole point of using XML is to make the semantics explicit and avoid 
kludges like that.

R's,
John

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