Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions
Mark Rejhon <markybox@gmail.com> Tue, 04 December 2012 23:29 UTC
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On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Matthew Kaufman <matthew.kaufman@skype.net> wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Gunnar Hellström >> I think there are a lot of good reasoning in you entry. >> A Real-time text UI can be quite tricky and quite processor-consuming. >> Imagine two rapid typers, typing along with over 10 characters per second, >> one local and one remote typing simultaneously with a UI showing their >> entries building up in the real-time text preview style, as traditional chat but >> with the last entries being real-time entries continuously building up by >> entered text. It might be heavy for JS to recalculate and display the text area >> in such conditions. I should note that this isn't true anymore for modern optimized browsers, especially on GPU accelerated platforms. They are surprisingly efficient, thanks to nearly two decades of browser wars. I'm able to update text inside a fixed-size <div></div> using JavaScript well north of tens or hundreds of thousand times a second in desktop browser programming, the optimizations in browsers really show. My preference: I'd say let rtcweb provide simple text receive/delivery API's (bare simple minimum to meet legislative requirements), and let JavaScript provide presentation -- it's just one line of text, such as divTag.InnerHTML = "hello, world"; It's high-performance nowadays in modern, optimized browsers, especially when using fixed CSS bounding boxes (to prevent text reflow overheads). Just let the web developer worry about presentation of real-time text, IMHO. It simplifies things, it keeps webrtc to just the details and API level stuff. No need to complicate things and bring W3C stuff into play for RTT. Mark Rejhon Author of XEP-0301 - XMPP Real-Time Text
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Richard Shockey
- [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Stefan Håkansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Eric Burger
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Igor Faynberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Igor Faynberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Igor Faynberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Salvatore Loreto
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Adam Roach
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Jim Barnett
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Erik Lagerway
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication requirements for … Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication requirements for … Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication requirements for … Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication requirements for … Göran Eriksson AP
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Silvia Pfeiffer
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication SDP in RTCWEB Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication requirements for … Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication requirements for … Göran Eriksson AP
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication requirements for … Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication requirements for … Göran Eriksson AP
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB session… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB session… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Martin J. Dürst
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB session… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB session… Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB session… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB session… Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Mark Rejhon
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Mark Rejhon
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Mark Rejhon
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Mark Rejhon
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Mark Rejhon
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Richard Shockey
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Kevin Dempsey
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Mark Rejhon
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Mark Rejhon
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions BeckW
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Markus.Isomaki
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Eric Burger
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström
- [rtcweb] Fwd: Text communication in RTCWEB sessio… Cullen Jennings
- Re: [rtcweb] Text communication in RTCWEB sessions Gunnar Hellström