Re: [rtcweb] Getting rid of SDP

Yes, please, let's make a list of the use cases and the problems.
Otherwise it feels like we're re-inventing technology for technology's
sake.

Kind Regards,
Silvia.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:39 PM, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> wrote:
> Nice to see that you too are arguing that we should get rid of SDP's
> design errors!
>
> There are of course design errors (I think) in the proposal you made too
> (the most glaring one is that you tie sources to clients - in order to
> be generic building tools, sources need global IDs - otherwise we can't
> build distribution trees for Baumgartner's parachute jump from space
> using the same technology as chatting with Grandma). 128-bit random
> numbers are lovely global identifiers. (This is the same error that went
> into the original design of the http URL - tying location with identity.
> But I digress.)
>
> I'd also like to have a security story that hangs together - each layer
> has unique security properties that it needs to make sure are
> satisfiable - from the neeed to not make DDOS simple at the network
> layer to the assurance that I'm talking to Grandma and not some
> CGI-generated scammer-face at the application layer. We've so far failed
> to have a security story in WebRTC that is both comprehensive and
> attractive to deploy - I'd like to see us do better next time around.
>
> I'm a little bit hesitant to ask this, but .... should we go back and
> look at what use cases we plan to solve in this Grand Unified Scheme of
> Things?
>
> Harald
>
> On 03/05/2018 08:43 PM, Cullen Jennings wrote:
>> SDP is pretty awful. What we need to do to greatly simplify things is get rid of SDP. The offer answer is really complicated for modern systems that have more uniform capabilities so I would like to get rid of offer answer too. To simplify all the control, I think one needs to also simplify STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP, and SRTP.
>>
>> I wrote a draft outlining that - it is at:
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media/
>>
>> it is being discussed on the dispatch@ietf.org email list ( you can join at https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch). Glad to get PR at https://github.com/WhatIETF/draft-jennings-dispatch-new-media
>>
>> Love to get feedback in general and also on how this, or parts of it, would be a good way to go for the next version of WebRTC
>>
>> Thanks, Cullen
>>
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