Re: [rtcweb] UPDATED Draft minutes for Wednesday session of IETF 83

[Cullen Jennings <[e-mail]>]

Harald, thank you very much for the careful read. I have updated addressing all your comments as well as some other fixes I got. 

Latest minutes are at

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/minutes/minutes-83-rtcweb.txt



On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:01 AM, Harald Alvestrand wrote:

> Thanks for these!
> 
> The only serious comments I have are on the codec discussion near the end; otherwise, there are grammar nits.
> 
> Notes:
> - Please convert to ASCII. Quotes and non-ASCII characters are broken.
> - "One attack by claim to link to something, but what you really connect to is some other site"
> Grammar issue: by claim -> by claiming
> - "In Jingle to enable early response with the ICE candidates and the username and password are anyway needed." -> could not parse this sentence. Please reword.
> - One instance of "Collin Perkins" (misspelled name)
> - "straight forward" -> "straightforward"
> - "Regarding the key-exchange and the round trip time. We will
> encounter cases, like the trombone where the signaling server is far
> away and the media peer is close." - the first full stop should be a comma for grammatical correctness.
> - "no overhead in a waste majority of cases." -> "no overhead in the vast majority of cases"
> - "The chairs declared No Consensus between these two options due to very
> evenly strength hums." - grammatically, it needs to be "even strength hums"; I would formulate it as "approximately even strength hums", given that I don't remember them as *that* even (but I was not at the front of the room).
> 
> - "Harald: I hope we can limit the number of cases where SDP manipulation
> is limited." - I certainly hope I said "needed" as the last word.
> - "Harald regards hints as steering wheel and brake pedal,
> while SDP is plugging in to engine control. Hopes can do what we need
> via hints." - "in to" -> "into"; "Hopes can do" -> "He hopes that we can do".
> 
> - "you are talking of SCT/DTLS/UDP." -> SCTP/DTLS/UDP
> - "Tim (Mozilla)" -> Tim Terriberry
> - Tim P -> Tim Panton
> 
> "Cullen: raise your hand in favor of H.261
>                                    H.264
>                                    VP8"
> 
> The numbers (or proportions) need to be part of the minutes, and the minutes need to make it clear that this was a straw poll, not a hum for consensus (Ted made that very clear, but it's not clear from the minutes.)
> 
> Allistair ??: The discussion was the same in H.323, and G.711 was
> selected as audio codec because of IPR free. None believes it would be
> useful, but this stopped the discussions.
> 
> I believe this was followed by a remark saying a huge amount of current traffic is G.711 or worse.
> 
> 
> On 04/16/2012 10:41 AM, Magnus Westerlund wrote:
>> On 2012-04-14 00:38, Ted Hardie wrote:
>>> The proceedings seem to be set up to prefer a single set of minutes,
>>> rather than one per session.  I've uploaded a set now that includes
>>> the ones Magnus originally put up, plus minutes from the second
>>> session.  Many thanks to all of our note takers for their hard work.
>>> 
>>> Please review the minutes and send corrections,
>> A link to the version containing both sessions are:
>> 
>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/83/minutes/minutes-83-rtcweb.txt
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Magnus Westerlund
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