Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda requests for Atlanta meeting)
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda requests for Atlanta meeting)
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On 10/18/2012 08:17 PM, Dale R. Worley wrote: >> From: Matthew Kaufman <matthew.kaufman@skype.net> >> >> The JSEP API enforces no such rules. If you want to change the API >> to bring it into compliance with *just this section* of 3264, it >> would need all sorts of changes... > I'm not familiar with the details of JSEP, but on general > architectural principles, my suspicion is that the key regarding > interworking with SIP is not whether a JSEP-using application can send > offers at times that the 3264 offer/answer model forbids it, but > rather whether JSEP/WebRTC can *reject* an offer. > > Certainly in SIP, a new offer presented in a re-INVITE or UPDATE > request can be rejected by the other UA by returning a failure > response. Any WebRTC protocol that can interwork smoothly with SIP > will require this capability. > > Given that, if the JSEP model permits an application to send offers at > times when SIP does not, the WebRTC/SIP gateway/server can immediately > send rejection of such offers back to the client, without sending a > SIP request containing the offer. > > This approach tolerates considerable difference between the rules > enforced by JSEP and the rules enforced by SIP, which may be > convenient. Note that the JSEP API never sends anything. It permits the application to generate an offer (using CreateOffer), and it permits the application to tell the browser that it should set the local configuration according to an offer (using setLocal). The assumption is that the normal way of using the API when interworking with SIP is to generate the offer, set it locally with SetLocal(), and send it as a SIP OFFER. The API also offers signals (negotiationneeded) to tell the application that it would be good to change the offer it's sending; if the application intends to obey SIP rules, it will schedule that renegotiation after the current negotiation round finishes. But the API never forces the application to send an offer; sending or not sending an offer is strictly the application's responsibility.
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda request… Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Christer Holmberg
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Stefan Hakansson LK
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Hutton, Andrew
- [rtcweb] Handling a partially-useful offer (Re: R… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Iñaki Baz Castillo
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [rtcweb] Handling a partially-useful offer (R… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Martin Thomson
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Roman Shpount
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Dale R. Worley
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Relaxing SDP O/A (was RE: Agenda req… Cullen Jennings (fluffy)