Re: [Sat] stage0 v2 - message exchange diagram / SATP pre-conditions

[Tecnico Lisboa <[e-mail]>]

Denis,

When you say, regarding the context, that:

“  specific asset transfer instance related to sending a well-defined set of assets from a given Originator to a given Beneficiary”, it is still not clear to me what is the context object. Is it a collection of asset profiles with metadata? Can we have an example schema? 

Rafael 

On 21 Mar 2023, at 17:10, Denis Avrilionis <denis=[e-mail]> wrote:

Attached is a revision of the Stage 0 diagram where I aligned the flow to the swimlanes of the core SAT message flow (thank you for your input!).

Answering to (Claire’s I think) question on how we can translate this to a set of pre-conditions to initiate SATP I think we can state them as follows:

- The Originator Application (a.k.a. Client App A1, a.k.a. Alice) has obtained a “transfer context”, i.e. information that unambiguously defines a specific asset transfer instance related to sending a well-defined set of assets from a given Originator to a given Beneficiary

- Network 1 (a.k.a. State Data DB1) is aware that this well-defined set of managed assets (owned by the originator) is going to be transferred for the given transfer context, and this at any moment in the future, based on Gateway 1 own initiative.   

- Gateway 1 is bound to Gateway 2 for the given transfer context

- The Beneficiary Application (a.k.a. Client App A2, a.k.a. Bob) knows that it will receive a well-defined set of assets for the given transfer context

- Network 2 (a.k.a. State Data DB2) is aware that assets will be received for a given beneficiary for the given transfer context

- Gateway is bound to Gateway 1 for the given transfer context  

Only if all the above conditions are met then the SATP transfer instance can be completed (note: completion can be either commit or rollback).

   

On 21 Mar 2023, at 18:16, <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> wrote:

Hi:
  Yes it is progress that the stage0 message exchange defines a startup and
a conclusion to the SATP process.

The problem with step 4 is that there appears to be no feedback to
client1App from client2App after receipt of the message.
If step 4 is not received by client2App steps 6,7, and 8 will not be
executed. This would block the entire SATP process.
Also when would client1App initiate step 5?

Also, if client1App and client2App are running on computers internal to a
corporate network I don't see how network
security  would allow anything except an email to go from the client1App
computer to the client2App computer.

David Millman

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Subject: Re: [Sat] stage0 message exchange diagram


Hi David,

What's interesting to me in Denis' applications-interaction diagram is that
the gateway selection/election occurs (already completed) between Line-4 and
Line-5 in Denis' diagram.

So by the time we start the SATP flow (the grey area) with a
Transfer-Commence message 2.1, gateway G1 and G2 already "know" each other
via Line-8.

(ps. I'm using the word "Line" for Denis's applications interaction diagram,
and "Message" for our message flow)


Although this applications-interaction is out of scope for SATP, it answers
one of the questions we received last year (about showing a complete
end-to-end flow).



--thomas



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My answers:

 1.  Yes, they refer to the same things. We should use consistent
terminology here; I prefer either Ledger or State DB and not "system", which
we use interchangeably with "network" in the charter and in the drafts.
 2.  Step 4 is supposed to be oblivious to the gateway. I don't think we
need to prescribe a standard transport mechanism, since it is out of scope
for the current SATP, but I imagine we can use HTTP or GRPC.

Rama

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Sat] stage0 message exchange diagram

Hi: I have some questions on the Stage 0 message exchange: Are system1 and
system2 the same as State Data DB1 and DB2 given in the SATP Message Flow
Diagram? How is the step 4 message "propagateTransferContext" sent from
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Hi:
  I have some questions on the Stage 0 message exchange:


 1.  Are system1 and system2 the same as State  Data DB1 and DB2 given in
the SATP Message Flow Diagram?
 2.  How is the step 4 message "propagateTransferContext" sent from
client1App to client2App?

Does the message pass through gateway1 and gateway2?  If not what is   the
underlying transport mechanism?

David Millman

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