Re: [SCITT] SCITT Working Group Meeting (Nov 28th)

[Kiran Karunakaran <[e-mail]>]

Hi Yogesh and Henk,

Hope all is well. The topic we chose for our next working group discussion ( Monday Nov 28th,2022) was 'RATS and SCITT relationship/intersection'. An issue has been already created on GitHub to track documentation (RATS and SCITT * Issue #37 * ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture (github.com)<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-scitt%2Fdraft-birkholz-scitt-architecture%2Fissues%2F37&data=05%7C01%7Ckkarunakaran%40microsoft.com%7C0114c1aee1174c75a78f08dac8dcbcd1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638043147649853342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aitaGZCdmTaidTpx0fgHx7Zz%2Bi4Kx%2Bqm4yptdp%2BfYvM%3D&reserved=0>) and it would be great if you could provide a write up in there for working group members to get up to speed on the topic. I'm assuming the goal here is to align on concepts (what RATS does, what SCITT does, how do they intersect) and terminology with help of Ned Smith and other RATS working group members.

I'm sending this email on Wednesday to make sure that this in fact the topic we'd like to discuss and we have enough time to provide context around the issue for discussion.

All known working group issues are temporarily being tracked here: IETF: SCITT Backlog - HackMD<https://hackmd.io/WvkjLafURbqZCyygMa0JmA?view>. Some of these have GitHub issues opened against them in the architecture repo, some of them don't. This should get more cleaned up once we have the IETF working group org setup in GitHub, and a mechanism defined on how to prioritize the right issues for the working group. Jon and Hannes are already working on this, and we'll wait to hear from them on next steps.

Kiran


From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 6:48 PM
To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Working Group Meeting

Hi,

Please see below for Monday (11/21) working group meeting agenda:

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>

Agenda:

  1.  New members introduction
  2.  Topic#1- Statements as References: Statement by reference * Issue #35 * ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture (github.com)<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-scitt%2Fdraft-birkholz-scitt-architecture%2Fissues%2F35&data=05%7C01%7Ckkarunakaran%40microsoft.com%7C0114c1aee1174c75a78f08dac8dcbcd1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638043147649853342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=IA7H0TmipwpgblltrXVeH4nhZxtuCOhUKxAolR7xdO0%3D&reserved=0>. (Maik)
  3.  Topic#2 (if we have time)- Terminology: Converge Claim and Statement * Issue #34 * ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture (github.com)<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-scitt%2Fdraft-birkholz-scitt-architecture%2Fissues%2F34&data=05%7C01%7Ckkarunakaran%40microsoft.com%7C0114c1aee1174c75a78f08dac8dcbcd1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638043147649853342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Npajxgffa5emEmeuscWILvid4nEQafFsD989%2Fq6dDy0%3D&reserved=0> and Refine definition of feed * Issue #36 * ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture (github.com)<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-scitt%2Fdraft-birkholz-scitt-architecture%2Fissues%2F36&data=05%7C01%7Ckkarunakaran%40microsoft.com%7C0114c1aee1174c75a78f08dac8dcbcd1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638043147649853342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=CsdT6zFREdCW7DFLjnq7JrYPpOmywaIPEARkDQqoigI%3D&reserved=0>.

Proposed topics for the following week:


  1.  Software supply chain use case: https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-software-supply-chain-use-cases/issues/6<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-scitt%2Fdraft-birkholz-scitt-software-supply-chain-use-cases%2Fissues%2F6&data=05%7C01%7Ckkarunakaran%40microsoft.com%7C0114c1aee1174c75a78f08dac8dcbcd1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638043147649853342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Y%2FEIt8vHS15IlKjbbW%2Fgh1KRvqC1fniXNOVcdRzAFSk%3D&reserved=0>. Re-write software supply chain use case to be only focused on requirements without reference to the solution (Ref: draft-ietf-ace-usecases-05<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ace-usecases-05&data=05%7C01%7Ckkarunakaran%40microsoft.com%7C0114c1aee1174c75a78f08dac8dcbcd1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638043147649853342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PqkqOuxSBH0oVRcA0qgWklF6pPnw3gtGVKuR97z%2B8S0%3D&reserved=0>).
  2.  SCITT and RATS intersection: RATS and SCITT * Issue #37 * ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture (github.com)<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-scitt%2Fdraft-birkholz-scitt-architecture%2Fissues%2F37&data=05%7C01%7Ckkarunakaran%40microsoft.com%7C0114c1aee1174c75a78f08dac8dcbcd1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638043147649853342%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aitaGZCdmTaidTpx0fgHx7Zz%2Bi4Kx%2Bqm4yptdp%2BfYvM%3D&reserved=0>. We need documentation around SCITT and RATS focusing on how they interact, overlap and what specific problems they solve to avoid any future confusion. Should this be part of the use case document or should this be defined within the architecture?


Kiran

From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2022 8:10 PM
To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Hi,

Please see below for Monday (11/14) community meeting's agenda:

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>
Agenda:

  *   IETF hackathon and SCITT session recap
  *   Next steps for working group
     *   RFCs
     *   Migration to IETF tools
     *   SCITT open source implementations and projects


Video link SCITT session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZcrq2d6aac
Chat Link: https://zulip.ietf.org/#narrow/stream/scitt

Kiran

From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2022 10:23 PM
To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Hi,

Please see below for Monday (10/24) community meeting's agenda:

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>

Agenda:


  *   IETF115
     *   Internet Drafts- Oct 24th deadline
        *   Architecture draft: ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture: A specification including, problem statement, use cases, requirements, and architectural constituents for a Transparency Service in support of Supply Chain Integrity, Transparency, and Trust (github.com)<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture>
        *   Receipt draft: ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-receipts: A countersign variant to express trust assertions in conducted merkle tree operations using COSE (github.com)<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-receipts>
           *   COSE: Header parameter for RFC 3161 Time-Stamp Tokens (ietf-scitt.github.io)<https://ietf-scitt.github.io/draft-birkholz-cose-tsa-tst-header-parameter/draft-birkholz-cose-tsa-tst-header-parameter.html>?
        *   SBOM use case draft: Detailed Software Supply Chain Uses Case for SCITT (ietf-scitt.github.io)<https://ietf-scitt.github.io/draft-birkholz-scitt-software-supply-chain-use-cases/draft-birkholz-scitt-software-supply-chain-use-cases.html>
  *   Use case discussion
     *   Firmware use case: use-cases/devicefirmware.md at main * ietf-scitt/use-cases (github.com)<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/use-cases/blob/main/devicefirmware.md>
     *   Election data use case (DRAFT): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wg1187YW9f_MadLTmspLpikKXOk7TYrzX5d_Ta2Pex4/edit?usp=sharing
     *   SCITT components

Thanks,
Kiran



From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 8:19 PM
To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Hi,

Please see below for Monday (10/17) community meeting's agenda:

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>

Agenda:


  *   Charter and Working Group status
  *   IETF SCITT website
     *   scitt-ietf.io
     *   scitt-ietf.dev
     *   scitt.software
     *   scitt.engineering
     *   scitt.io (Big thanks to Jon and RKVST for grabbing this domain earlier and offering it to IETF)
     *   scitt.space
     *   scitt.services
  *   IETF115
     *   Schedule and agenda
     *   Internet Drafts- Oct 24th deadline
        *   Architecture draft
        *   Receipt draft
        *   SBOM use case draft
  *   Use case discussion
     *   Firmware use case: use-cases/devicefirmware.md at main * ietf-scitt/use-cases (github.com)<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/use-cases/blob/main/devicefirmware.md>
     *   Election data use case (DRAFT): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wg1187YW9f_MadLTmspLpikKXOk7TYrzX5d_Ta2Pex4/edit?usp=sharing


From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2022 4:08 PM
To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Hi,

Please see below for Monday (10/10) community meeting's agenda:

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>
Agenda:


  1.  Charter status update
     *   Link to Ballot<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-scitt/ballot/>
     *   Target approval date



  1.  Continue discussion (topics)
     *   SW supply chain use case
     *   Hashing Algorithm alignment
     *   SCITT receipts as COSE V2 countersignatures
     *   IETF115

Kiran

From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2022 11:06 AM
To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Hi,

Please see below for Monday (10/03) community meeting's agenda:

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>

Agenda:


  1.  Speaker- Russ Housley (Russ Housley - ICANNWiki<https://icannwiki.org/Russ_Housley>)
     *   Are SCITT Receipts Countersignatures?
     *   Kicking Off Discussion on 'Creative signature bstr use'



  1.  Continue SW supply chain discussion
     *   Scope: Hashable digital artifact
     *   Feedback on Dick's SCITT implementation scenario diagram (see below)

                                                               i.      Other visual representations

     *   Other use cases


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Thanks,
Kiran
From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2022 8:45 PM
To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Hi,

Please see below for tomorrow (09/26) meeting's agenda:

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>

Agenda:

  *   Charter status update- Henk
  *   Use Case discussion
     *   SW/HW intersection use case- Monty
     *   Specific Use Case Discussion: How to stop Authentic Actors from making False Claims?
     *   SW supply chain use case discussion (continued)- Dick



Other topics:

  *   RATS architecture presentation- Hannes/Yogesh to provide an update on when this can be scheduled. Ideally, it will be covered during the Thursday SCITT technical meeting
  *   Threat Model Discussion - Yogesh, Cedric and Antoine


Thanks,
Kiran

From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 8:43 PM
To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Hi everyone,

Please see below for tomorrow (09/19) meeting's agenda:

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>

1.                   Threat Model Discussions - Yogesh, Cedric and Antoine

2.                   SCITT Use Cases

     *   Tracker on Github:  Issues * ietf-scitt/use-cases (github.com)<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-scitt%2Fuse-cases%2Fissues&data=05%7C01%7Ckkarunakaran%40microsoft.com%7C060039c7048f4171998108da9662c301%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637987649361125467%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=iPkbwsp%2FUtzSByhnj%2BSUzRdIgr%2F7EnASNp57v5CvcTM%3D&reserved=0>
     *   Specific Use Case Discussion: How to stop Authentic Actors from making False Claims ?
     *   Continue software supply chain use case discussion

Thanks,
Kiran

From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:13 PM
To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Agenda for 09/12 meeting

Link to doc: SCITT General Meeting Agenda and Notes - Google Docs<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vf-EliXByhg5HZfgVbTqZhfaJFCmvMdQuZ4tC-Eq6wg/edit>

Agenda:


  1.  Quick update on charter (Henk and Yogesh)
     *   charter/ietf-scitt-charter.md at master * ietf-scitt/charter (github.com)<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/charter/blob/master/ietf-scitt-charter.md>



  1.  SBOM use case review (Dick Brooks): SBOM Use Case strawman - based on CISA ICT_SCRM Task Force DRAFT - HackMD<https://hackmd.io/QuqKhy_bQ1qG9yyyBuEABg?view>. See references below
a.       https://www.nist.gov/itl/executive-order-14028-improving-nations-cybersecurity/software-security-supply-chains-software-1
b.       https://www.nist.gov/document/software-supply-chain-security-guidance-under-executive-order-eo-14028-section-4e
c.       Cybersecurity Supply Chain Risk Management Practices for Systems and Organizations (nist.gov)<https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/SpecialPublications/NIST.SP.800-161r1.pdf>

  1.  Other use case discussions
     *   Use Case Tracker on Github: Issues * ietf-scitt/use-cases (github.com)<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/use-cases/issues>

From: Kiran Karunakaran
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 4:11 PM
To: [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: SCITT Community Meeting

Hi,

Agenda for 08/29 meeting.


  1.  Charter proposal
     *   Github link: https://github.com/ietf-scitt/charter/pull/18/files
     *   Please input all comments/changes/suggestions (Session Transcript for SCITT Charter Iteration - HackMD<https://hackmd.io/T7GsPcJmRtC9IhVbXjUbCg>) before 08/30/2022
     *   Target Charter Proposal publish date: 09/05/2022
  2.  SBOM use case discussion
     *   Draft link: SBOM Use Case strawman - based on CISA ICT_SCRM Task Force DRAFT - HackMD<https://hackmd.io/QuqKhy_bQ1qG9yyyBuEABg?view>
     *   Other SBOM use cases

Thanks,
Kiran

-----Original Appointment-----
From: Yogesh Deshpande <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 2:13 PM
To: Yogesh Deshpande; Kay Williams; Roy Williams (COSINE); Steve Lasker; Birkholz, Henk; Hannes Tschofenig; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Eliot Lear
Cc: Aeva Black; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Bhuvaneshwari Krishnamurthi; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Sylvan Clebsch; EDGS Platform LT; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Brian Knight; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Entezari, Mehdi; Robert A Martin; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>; Nabanita Sen; Stephen Provine; Orie Steele; Travis Jones; Kellie Eickmeyer; Bhuvaneshwari Krishnamurthi; Shilpa Shastri; Kiran Karunakaran
Subject: SCITT Community Meeting
When: Monday, August 29, 2022 4:00 PM-5:00 PM (UTC+00:00) Dublin, Edinburgh, Lisbon, London.
Where: https://armltd.zoom.us/j/99133885299?pwd=b0w4aGorRkpjL3ZHa2NPSmRiNHpXUT09


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