Re: [SCITT] Architecture Doc Reviews

Dick Brooks <dick@reliableenergyanalytics.com> Thu, 16 February 2023 22:52 UTC

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From: Dick Brooks <dick@reliableenergyanalytics.com>
To: 'Henk Birkholz' <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>, 'Steve Lasker' <StevenLasker@hotmail.com>, scitt@ietf.org
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The  https://ietf-wg-scitt.github.io/ URL threw me. 

https://github.com/ietf-wg-scitt   makes sense to me.

Thanks,

Dick Brooks
  
Active Member of the CISA Critical Manufacturing Sector, 
Sector Coordinating Council – A Public-Private Partnership

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-----Original Message-----
From: Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de> 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 5:48 PM
To: dick@reliableenergyanalytics.com; 'Steve Lasker' <StevenLasker@hotmail.com>; scitt@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [SCITT] Architecture Doc Reviews

Hi Dick,

an individual draft will be renamed and move from

> https://github.com/ietf-scitt

to

> https://github.com/ietf-wg-scitt

after a successful call for adoption on the mail list.

Also, I recently got note of a suggestion to maybe rename the old non-WG repo to ietf-drafts-scitt or another org name that is less similar to ietf-wg-scitt. Everything that reduces confusion (next to lazy owners) helps. I don't know if ietf-drafts-scitt helps a lot, but if there are other suggestions please speak up. In general, I think archiving repos is a pretty obvious hint.

Viele Grüße,

Henk





On 16.02.23 23:15, Dick Brooks wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> Thanks for clarifying.
> 
> The current use case draft is located under
> 
> https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-software-supply-cha
> in-use-cases 
> <https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-software-supply-ch
> ain-use-cases>
> 
> Will it also be moving to
> 
> https://ietf-wg-scitt.github.io/ <https://ietf-wg-scitt.github.io/>
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dick Brooks
> 
> /Active Member of the CISA Critical Manufacturing Sector, /
> 
> /Sector Coordinating Council – A Public-Private Partnership/
> 
> */Never trust software, always verify and report! 
> <https://reliableenergyanalytics.com/products>/*™
> 
> http://www.reliableenergyanalytics.com
> <http://www.reliableenergyanalytics.com/>
> 
> Email: dick@reliableenergyanalytics.com 
> <mailto:dick@reliableenergyanalytics.com>
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> Tel: +1 978-696-1788
> 
> *From:*Steve Lasker <StevenLasker@hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 5:12 PM
> *To:* dick@reliableenergyanalytics.com; scitt@ietf.org
> *Subject:* RE: [SCITT] Architecture Doc Reviews
> 
> Hi Dick,
> 
> Yeah, the published version below is from 
> https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture/
> <https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture/>
> 
> We’ve been discussing archiving this repo 
> <https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture/issues/45> (making it readonly) as we’ve now progressed to the official IETF Working group (-wg-).
> 
> The published version of the Working Group is at: 
> https://ietf-wg-scitt.github.io/draft-ietf-scitt-architecture/draft-ie
> tf-scitt-architecture.html 
> <https://ietf-wg-scitt.github.io/draft-ietf-scitt-architecture/draft-i
> etf-scitt-architecture.html>
> 
> *From:*Dick Brooks <dick@reliableenergyanalytics.com 
> <mailto:dick@reliableenergyanalytics.com>>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 1:50 PM
> *To:* 'Steve Lasker' <StevenLasker@hotmail.com 
> <mailto:StevenLasker@hotmail.com>>; scitt@ietf.org 
> <mailto:scitt@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [SCITT] Architecture Doc Reviews
> 
> Steve,
> 
> I’m a little confused. How do these document relate, or not?
> 
> Are alternative options?
> 
> https://github.com/ietf-wg-scitt/draft-ietf-scitt-architecture
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> Thanks,
> 
> Dick Brooks
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> 
> /Sector Coordinating Council – A Public-Private Partnership/
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> *From:*SCITT <scitt-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:scitt-bounces@ietf.org>> 
> *On Behalf Of *Steve Lasker
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 4:45 PM
> *To:* scitt@ietf.org <mailto:scitt@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* [SCITT] Architecture Doc Reviews
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> As the use cases are stabilizing, we’d like to make progress on the 
> architecture document 
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fietf-wg-scitt%2Fdraft-ietf-scitt-architecture&data=05%7C01%7C%7C405596b1374f46500cdc08db1067c4e2%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638121810099607818%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=wQWid%2BW9j5fjiCJc8BFwbdA4pR5j4PlU13mpRX90TZI%3D&reserved=0>.
> 
> The proposal is to make this weekly, recognizing it may overlap with 
> the scitt-community call, which we can adjust based on the weekly agenda.
> 
> Please vote on the day/time, not specific to the date: 
> https://doodle.com/meeting/participate/id/dw0q2lRe
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