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Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth@entrust.com> Fri, 16 June 2023 13:02 UTC

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From: Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth@entrust.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef <rifaat.s.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] [EXTERNAL] Re: IETF117 - Call for topics
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Hey David. Welcome!

Yeah, SecDispatch is explicitly about "Where should we home this work within the Sec area?" and not about the content.

A SecDispatch presentation typically has the flow "Here's this draft. It relates to the following technologies and working groups. My proposal is that it get dispatched to WG X", and then a bunch of discussion happens, then you are given a direction for where to take your work next.

SecDispatch has the general process outlined here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/secdispatch/about/
The goal of a SecDispatch presentation is to arrive at consensus for proceeding with one of the 7 bulleted options.

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Secdispatch] IETF117 - Call for topics

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On Fri, 2023-06-16 at 08:24 -0400, Rifaat Shekh-Yusef wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> We will add this to the list of topics to discuss. You will have 15
> minutes to present and get feedback from the WG.

Thank you. I've *absolutely* no idea what I'm doing here; apologies for the cluelessness. Is this to present the case for the mere existence of my proposal, to decide how or whether to proceed with it at all — rather than focusing on the technical minutiæ of what's in the draft itself?

If you give me a platform, I can rant for *hours* about how awful it all is, and how hard it is for users just to use the key+cert that their organisation issued to them with various applications. And how the crypto libraries seem to go out of their way to make it *hard* for applications to do the right thing, and how it takes literally
*thousands* of lines of code in the application just to make it work...
:)

I will need to present remotely if that's OK. I stand a better chance of getting to Prague in November if that makes more sense?
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