Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-secsh-filexfer-00
Joseph Galbriath <galb-list@vandyke.com> Mon, 22 July 2013 16:48 UTC
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From: Joseph Galbriath <galb-list@vandyke.com>
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CC: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>, S Moonesamy <sm+ietf@elandsys.com>, ietf-ssh@NetBSD.org
Subject: Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-secsh-filexfer-00
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On 2013/07/12 8:42, denis bider (Bitvise) wrote: > A fair number of implementations, including ours, implement SFTP > versions 4 and 6, as specified in: > > draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-13.txt > > as well as extensions specified in: > > draft-galb-filexfer-extensions-00.txt > > Just because one open source implementation chooses to be stuck in the > past - apparently because SFTP version 3 is simplistic, and offered most > of what is needed on their target platform - doesn't mean it should get > to dictate the standard. I did find openssh's reluctance to look beyond the posix filesystem world somewhat frustrating. I will admit that the drafts grew much larger than I wanted, but we did make efforts to make sure implementations didn't have to implement things that didn't want or could not support. > The latest SFTP version is 6. Restarting standardization at 3 doesn't > mean implementations of 4 and 6 are going to go away. It in fact means > that two concurrent SFTP version trees are going to exist in the future. > I think this is a poor decision, and I do not support it. > > Any standardization efforts should continue where these documents left off: > > draft-ietf-secsh-filexfer-13.txt > draft-galb-filexfer-extensions-00.txt > > If OpenSSH chooses to be stuck in the past and implement an older > version of the protocol known as SFTP version 3, then the OpenSSH > project can document the version they implement, but based on one > implementation, that doesn't need to be an internet standard. I agree with this. Thanks, Joseph > -----Original Message----- From: S Moonesamy > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 06:18 > To: Peter Gutmann > Cc: ietf-ssh@NetBSD.org > Subject: Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-secsh-filexfer-00 > > Hi Peter, > At 04:37 12-07-2013, Peter Gutmann wrote: >> Some background information on this decision would be useful, for >> example why >> restart work on it now, and why use version 3 of the protocol as the >> baseline? > > There was a short discussion a few months ago about Section 6.1 of an > expired SFTP drafts. I used Version 3 as the baseline as that is > the version which OpenSSH implemented. In my opinion it would be > easier to document Version 3 as an IETF specification instead of > trying to pursue the previous efforts. > > Regards, > S. Moonesamy > >
- SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-secs… S Moonesamy
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Peter Gutmann
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… S Moonesamy
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… denis bider (Bitvise)
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Mouse
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Mouse
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Mark D. Baushke
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Peter Gutmann
- RE: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… S Moonesamy
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… S Moonesamy
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… S Moonesamy
- RE: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Rich Whalen
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Albert Lunde
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Mark D. Baushke
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Jeffrey Hutzelman
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Damien Miller
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Joseph Galbriath
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Joseph Galbriath
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Joseph Galbriath
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Joseph Galbriath
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… S Moonesamy
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Peter Gutmann
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Damien Miller
- Re: SSH File Transfer Protocol - draft-moonesamy-… Richard Kettlewell