Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.txt
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From: "Paul Quinn (paulq)" <paulq@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.txt
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Hi Dave, Sorry, I was traveling yesterday. In principal I don't have any issues with the text since it doesn't impose requirements but rather clarifies a possible behavior. I do wonder about how common this will be: a control of sorts is needed for semantic meaning -- in type 1 or type 2 cases. Paul > On Apr 14, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Dave Dolson <ddolson@sandvine.com> wrote: > > Paul and Uri, can you please comment as to whether you agree or disagree with this wording? > > I feel that it allows the actual content to be opaque while giving guidance for > service functions that create or replay packets in the chain. > > From my point of view, this is how such devices will work anyhow. > > -Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: sfc [mailto:sfc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dolson > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:13 AM > To: Paul Quinn (paulq); Ron Parker > Cc: Thomas Narten; sfc@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.txt > > Paul, > Are you unhappy with the metadata constraints I suggested below? > Perhaps qualified by "In the absence of out-of-band configuration..." ? > > I believe that the schemes proposed in these drafts satisfy the constraints: > - draft-sfc-nsh-dc-allocation-4, > - draft-napper-sfc-nsh-broadband-allocation-00 > > (I thought there were more allocation schemes, but I guess they expired.) > > I'll update it here: > > In the absence of out-of-band configuration to indicate otherwise, > metadata used in NSH headers must meet the condition that > a transport-layer-stateful Service Function can save away > metadata values that it has witnessed. An injected packet can > therefore be assigned a clone of metadata taken from an earlier > packet going in the same direction. For example, a Service Function > can send a TCP packet using metadata cloned from another TCP packet > of the same connection and direction. > > Note that the Service Function need not know the meaning of the > metadata; it just needs to know it is safe to clone in this manner. > > > -Dave > >
- [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.txt Thomas Narten
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Dave Dolson
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Ron Parker
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Paul Quinn (paulq)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Paul Quinn (paulq)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Alia Atlas
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Alia Atlas
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Loa Andersson
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Nadeau Thomas
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Dave Dolson
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Alia Atlas
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Loa Andersson
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Alia Atlas
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Ron Parker
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Azhar Sayeed
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Dave Dolson
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Alia Atlas
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Alia Atlas
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Fedyk, Don
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Surendra Kumar (smkumar)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Sumandra Majee
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Ron Parker
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Fedyk, Don
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Fedyk, Don
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Paul Quinn (paulq)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Fedyk, Don
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Bottorff, Paul
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Sumandra Majee
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Ken Gray (kegray)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Nagendra Kumar Nainar (naikumar)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Alia Atlas
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Dave Dolson
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Xuxiaohu
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Paul Quinn (paulq)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Paul Quinn (paulq)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Henry Fourie
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Bottorff, Paul
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Elzur, Uri
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Elzur, Uri
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Gregory Mirsky
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… David Melman
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Elzur, Uri
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Fedyk, Don
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… jmh.direct
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Bottorff, Paul
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Jim Guichard (jguichar)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Sunil Vallamkonda
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Elzur, Uri
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Elzur, Uri
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Elzur, Uri
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Ron Parker
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Ron Parker
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Dave Dolson
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… jmh.direct
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Section 6 … Linda Dunbar
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Jim Guichard (jguichar)
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Andrew G. Malis
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Joel Halpern Direct
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Jim Guichard (jguichar)
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Sunil Vallamkonda
- Re: [sfc] WG last call for draft-ietf-sfc-nsh-04.… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Sunil Vallamkonda
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Paul Quinn (paulq)
- Re: [sfc] Suggested wording addtion to the Sectio… Jim Guichard (jguichar)