Re: [sfc] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-sfc-serviceid-header-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Fri, 06 November 2020 05:51 UTC

Return-Path: <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
X-Original-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: sfc@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5363A0D93; Thu, 5 Nov 2020 21:51:21 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.096
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=orange.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SHCYTxrBvhbK; Thu, 5 Nov 2020 21:51:18 -0800 (PST)
Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 464D13A0D8E; Thu, 5 Nov 2020 21:51:18 -0800 (PST)
Received: from opfedar04.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.6]) by opfedar25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4CS8dc5jKVz8svR; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 06:51:16 +0100 (CET)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=orange.com; s=ORANGE001; t=1604641876; bh=BE0ypLtXF6gC2IpFOrd/bm8LEusiRoxq385DtgAPlN4=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=R64SWOLNGhT7eaaWHbwL70TZIFsgYohmUKWdX/M16PIPXFGs4pHOVkrtcQbWHITt2 M4FqlHybkZ6LDJLBJeFKvMDY9KGfy2Ertnyu6M6RlyafQkAfwbPogLTIC+zqayZpLI uauJD3P8W7S8nozK5ykqVdwvv9qzHFXZtrDKfstiFjDv6o31NosEX0iMKM/94dwAHC I6D0tgMyWX8q6ksRTZpWV8DyDWFLagKtd4+BMg7hffTiOzUJob2ShVRauAaNQJ5clr 214svYnUHdeLDkYnLNvw8pUCfAf8AbyB3LkvK3Jp+tzCHWgJaE/E+Rs00mOvbId8ex vJYlbHzQFR7rA==
Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.92]) by opfedar04.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 4CS8dc4GGfz1xqX; Fri, 6 Nov 2020 06:51:16 +0100 (CET)
From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
To: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
CC: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "draft-ietf-sfc-serviceid-header@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-sfc-serviceid-header@ietf.org>, "sfc-chairs@ietf.org" <sfc-chairs@ietf.org>, "sfc@ietf.org" <sfc@ietf.org>, Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Thread-Topic: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-sfc-serviceid-header-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
Thread-Index: AQHWs8SUQ44xUIGB/kiy1IknJt9eF6m6lcRA
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 05:51:15 +0000
Message-ID: <29126_1604641876_5FA4E454_29126_17_1_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933031572389@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup>
References: <160446460674.32614.15877665689972040502@ietfa.amsl.com> <28389_1604482785_5FA276E1_28389_92_3_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93303156F9F0@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <20201105223938.GA39170@kduck.mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <20201105223938.GA39170@kduck.mit.edu>
Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US
Content-Language: fr-FR
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.247]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/sfc/Zds-TyaIPHJtWUBkU2jk9DRp2d4>
Subject: Re: [sfc] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-sfc-serviceid-header-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
X-BeenThere: sfc@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: Network Service Chaining <sfc.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/sfc>, <mailto:sfc-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/sfc/>
List-Post: <mailto:sfc@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:sfc-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sfc>, <mailto:sfc-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2020 05:51:21 -0000

Hi Ben, 

> So the quoted statement that I was confused
> by is in effect saying that "if there is only ever one
> classification action and it fully specifies all possible choices
> for the path of the packet, then these context headers are not
> needed anymore"?

I confirm. 

Will see if/how to tweak it better as you were confused.  

Thanks. 

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Benjamin Kaduk [mailto:kaduk@mit.edu]
> Envoyé : jeudi 5 novembre 2020 23:40
> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> Cc : The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>; draft-ietf-sfc-serviceid-
> header@ietf.org; sfc-chairs@ietf.org; sfc@ietf.org; Greg Mirsky
> <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
> Objet : Re: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-sfc-serviceid-
> header-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
> 
> Hi Med,
> 
> Also inline (though not too much left to say)...
> 
...
> >
> > >
> > > Section 4
> > >
> > >    instance selection, or policy selection at SFs.  Note that
> the
> > > use of
> > >    the Performance Policy Identifier is not helpful if the path
> > >    computation is centralized and a strict SFP is presented as
> local
> > >    policy to SF Forwarders (SFFs).
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I understand why this is the case; wouldn't the
> > > performance policy information still be useful for, e.g., not
> > > dropping UHR packets when buffers are full, regardless of
> whether
> > > the SFP is strict or not?
> >
> > [Med] The text is about path computation and selection.
> >
> > We are not using for marking because otherwise we will have the
> "usual" comments why not using flow lable, dscp marking, etc.
> 
> Ah, it sounds like I was misunderstanding things originally.  Based
> you your explanation here, it seems like the policy information is
> only intended to be used in path computation/selection, but it needs
> to be conveyed in the NSH because there is opportunity for
> reclassification along the SFP (and, IIRC, cases where the SFP is
> not fully specified at classification time and a local SFF makes a
> choice on a per-packet basis), which would still need the policy
> information as input.
> The particular local behaviors such as preferred processing for ULL
> or UHR are controlled by the normal mechanisms for doing so, e.g.,
> DSCP.  Is that right?  So the quoted statement that I was confused
> by is in effect saying that "if there is only ever one
> classification action and it fully specifies all possible choices
> for the path of the packet, then these context headers are not
> needed anymore"?
> 


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci.

This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law;
they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation.
If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments.
As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified.
Thank you.