Re: [sfc] IBN Path Configuration solution for draft-dolson-sfc-hierarchical-05

Hi,

I see. So the price the pay would be only a metadata slot, what seems quite reasonable.

Be goode,

On 18 Jun 2016, at 18:09 , VictorVu <minowar91@gmail.com<mailto:minowar91@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Actually, it only requires 1 metadata slot for as many layers as you want. Lower-level IBNs simply save upper-level hSFC flow ID in metadata and overwrite it. Flow-stateful IBNs can even save all upper-level metadata and recover later, so lower-level domains at any layer are free to use 3 metadata slots.

Regards,

On 6/18/16 9:55 PM, DIEGO LOPEZ GARCIA wrote:
Hi,

The only possible objection someone could come with is the fact that we are limiting a possible hierarchy recursion to three layers (a fourth one could not use any metadata slots) But I would not say that is something I feel very much concerned about (hence the impersonal “someone” rather than a personal “I”)

Be goode,

On 14 Jun 2016, at 16:18 , Dave Dolson <<mailto:ddolson@sandvine.com>ddolson@sandvine.com<mailto:ddolson@sandvine.com>> wrote:

Victor,

Yes, I agree this is a good idea. I intend to add it to the list of alternatives in the draft.
I think it is probably the best of the stateful ideas.
I think to the list of benefits we can also add:
- has potential for security advantages in that it may be harder for a sub-domain SF to attack upper-level paths because the upper-level path is obscured by the flow ID, and the flow ID can be validated as it returns.

I intend to update the draft soon including some changes from the other authors.
If anyone on the list has other feed-back, please let me know.

-Dave
P.S. Victor, it doesn’t appear that your request made it to the list. Hopefully this reply does.

From: Victor Vu [mailto:vuva@dcn.ssu.ac.kr]
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 11:16 PM
To: <mailto:sfc@ietf.org> sfc@ietf.org<mailto:sfc@ietf.org>; Dave Dolson
Subject: [sfc] IBN Path Configuration solution for draft-dolson-sfc-hierarchical-05

Hi,

In draft-dolson-sfc-hierarchical-05, there have been 4 method for restoring upper-level SF path when packets exit lower-level domain, each of them has its disadvantage:

1.  Saving SPI and SI in transport-layer flow state => could not work with SFs wich can change 5-tuple (NAT for example)

2.  Pushing SPI and SI into metadata => MD-type 1 has only 4 metadata slots

3.  Using unique lower-level paths per upper-level path coordinates => too many service paths in lower-level domain

4.  Nesting NSH headers, encapsulating the higher-level NSH headers within the lower-level NSH headers => require SFs in the lower-level domain to be able to parse multiple layers of NSH

Therefore, I would like to propose the Flow-stateful/metadata hybrid solution. The basic idea is to make IBN save top-domain flow information (flow-stateful IBN), and assign each flow an “h-sfc flow ID” mapped to its info and store in 1 Mandatory context header. When packet exit sub-domain, get upper-domain’s info back by the h-sfc flow ID and restore it at the service last hop.

In this way:

  *   Upper domain metadata is preserved, and sub-domains can change it just like a SFs does
  *   Does NOT depend on 5-tuple => work well with NAT
  *   Does NOT require all domains have a same metadata scheme
  *   Scalable: could restore any top-domain information, not just service path
  *   Top domain could use full 4 metadata slots, while sub-domains can use up to 3
  *   Does not require any special functionalities from SFs
  *   ID can be used to differentiate H-SFC and non-H-SFC flows

I would like to listen to your opinions.
Thank you very much.

Best regards,

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