Re: [sfc] TTL field within the NSH base header

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Subject: Re: [sfc] TTL field within the NSH base header
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Hi Eric,

Please see inline.

Cheers,
Med

De : sfc [mailto:sfc-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Eric C Rosen
Envoyé : lundi 1 mai 2017 20:29
À : James N Guichard
Cc : sfc@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [sfc] TTL field within the NSH base header

On 5/1/2017 1:38 PM, James N Guichard wrote:

SHL (SFF Hop Limit)

I hate to interrupt the discussion of modular arithmetic with a terminology issue, but I'd recommend against this terminology change.  "TTL" is a pretty well known term with a well known use.
[Med] I'm sure you know that TTL was also expected to be decremented each second.
   Inventing a new acronym here can only cause confusion.  I don't think anyone's suggested modifying the IP specs to change "TTL" to "IP Hop Limit".
[Med] This was already happened when specifying a new version of IP. There is no TTL in IPv6, but a Hop Limit.

(Once upon a time, there was some thinking that it might take a packet more than a second to transit a router, and the original IP TTL requirement was to decrement the TTL by at least 1 per hop, but by more than 1 if the packet spent more than a second in a given router.  But for most of the last 40 years, everyone has known that "TTL" means "hop count".)