Re: [Sframe] [AVTCORE] Call for adoption in AVTCore: RTP Payload Format for SFrame

Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org> Tue, 26 September 2023 19:16 UTC

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From: Stephan Wenger <stewe@stewe.org>
To: Jonathan Lennox <jonathan.lennox=408x8.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, IETF AVTCore WG <avt@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Sframe] [AVTCORE] Call for adoption in AVTCore: RTP Payload Format for SFrame
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While being skeptical about the whole sframe approach—I think it will not work, just as other approaching attempting to solve the same dilemma didn’t work—I do support the adoption of the draft as it fits the scope of the WG.
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From: avt <avt-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Jonathan Lennox <jonathan.lennox=408x8.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Date: Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:49
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Subject: [AVTCORE] Call for adoption in AVTCore: RTP Payload Format for SFrame
This is a call for adoption (CfA) of the document "RTP Payload Format for SFrame” in the AVTCore working group.

The draft is available for inspection here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-thatcher-avtcore-rtp-sframe

This call for adoption will run until midnight Pacific time on Tuesday, October 10, 2023.

* I support adoption of "RTP Payload Format for SFrame” in AVTCore.

* I object to the adoption of "RTP Payload Format for SFrame” in AVTCore due to the following open issues: <link to filed issues>

Jonathan Lennox
For the AVTCore Chairs