Re: [Sframe] Adoption call for draft-omara-sframe-01

Youenn Fablet <youenn@apple.com> Fri, 15 October 2021 17:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Sframe] Adoption call for draft-omara-sframe-01
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I support adopting this draft as a working group item.

The SFrame format, or variants of it, are being deployed in existing applications.
This gives confidence in the fact that the SFrame format described in the document is solving real problems.
The current draft document allowed to implement it in at least two independent implementations (Cisco and Safari), both implementations passing the same test suite.
This gives confidence in the level of details used to describe the SFrame format.

I look forward for additional work in the area, to address Bernard’s points and more.
The suggestion to move part of the current document in a separate document seems a good idea.
This modularity would for instance be useful in W3C specifications building on the SFrame format, in particular the being standardised SFrameTransform.

I do not think that this is a blocker for adopting the document as is.
Adoption by the WG is just a starting point, and I believe that contributors of this document are aware that more work is needed.

Thanks,
	Y

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> From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net <mailto:mt@lowentropy.net>>
> Date: Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 7:36 PM
> Subject: [Sframe] Adoption call for draft-omara-sframe-01
> To: <sframe@ietf.org <mailto:sframe@ietf.org>>
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-omara-sframe-01 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-omara-sframe-01>
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> Please respond to this email before AOE 31 October 2021 if you support adopting draft-omara-sframe (currently -01) as a working group item.  If you would prefer we not adopt this work, please respond with an explanation of why and ideally what you would like to see addressed before we do that.
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> We're running this a tiny bit longer than a typical adoption call.  Last time we talked about adoption there were a few concerns raised about the draft.  We want to make sure those concerns are addressed, or at least those with concerns are satisfied that their concerns could be addressed.
> 
> Martin, for the chairs
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