Re: [sidr] the need for speed

Eric Osterweil <eosterweil@verisign.com> Thu, 20 December 2012 19:02 UTC

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To: Arturo Servin <aservin@lacnic.net>
Cc: sidr wg list <sidr@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [sidr] the need for speed
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On Dec 20, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Eric Osterweil wrote:

> 
> On Dec 20, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
> 
>> That's is not true. We have seen some challenges in the current
>> architecture since long ago and some are trying to address them:
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rogaglia-sidr-multiple-publication-points/
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-delta-protocol/
>> 
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tbruijnzeels-sidr-validation-local-cache/
> 
> I totally appreciate the efforts behind these design enhancements, and I am trying impugn the work that has clearly gone into them (or the people who did the work).  However, my concern is that without requirements analysis around the core of the architecture that these enhancements speak to, how do you know that you're not just building on a shaky/unstable foundation, or trying to overcome fundamental flaws in its architecture?  We haven't taken the time to outline what bgpsec needs to do in order for us to be protected by it.  Therefore, we can't describe when we've met our goals.

Err... *_not_ trying to impugn sorry. :)

Eric

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