Re: [Sidrops] Talk: RPKI Deployment: Status, Challenges and the Learning-Validator

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Fri, 21 July 2017 07:42 UTC

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< pedantry >

> - How we define a ROA to be “wrong” ? One that invalidates routes or
>   one that causes legitimate traffic to be dropped ?

neither.  a roa is 'wrong' when it does not validate up to the iana TA
or the political TA kludge of the season.

a roa may cover but not validate a particular bgp announcement; though
that announcement may be validated by a different roa.

a roa may not validate a particular announcement which it covers for
which there are no other roas.  the roa is neither right nor wrong; it
merely disagrees with the current bgp announcements.  which needs to be
changed is not obviously determinable.

of course there was the work in new mexico a dozen years ago to create
roas to match the bgp table with a bit of delay.  we all laughed.

randy