Re: [Sidrops] what to do when the CRL is hosed?

Martin Hoffmann <martin@opennetlabs.com> Tue, 24 March 2020 14:20 UTC

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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 15:20:09 +0100
From: Martin Hoffmann <martin@opennetlabs.com>
To: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] what to do when the CRL is hosed?
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Job Snijders wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:42:37AM -0300, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote:
> > 
> > With RRDP over HTTPS a lot of in transit / MITM issues are
> > mitigated.  
> 
> I'm not sure I agree - routinator, fort and octorpki are trivially
> forced to use rsync if the attacker blocks TCP port 443.

At least Routinator does not fall back to rsync once it has
successfully completed accessing the repository via RRDP once. I am
open to strengthen this to not ever use rsync if there is a RRDP URI in
the certificate. 

Kind regards,
Martin