Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen
Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com> Thu, 23 September 2021 17:45 UTC
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From: Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 13:44:54 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen
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Howdy draft authors/readers-of-drafts: "This document seems to have petered out, and I think the end of the thread here is: 'Meh, maybe we don't need this document?'" Is this document not necessary anymore? or is the document ready for wglc ? or ? On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 10:15 AM Di Ma <madi@rpstir.net> wrote: > Interesting. > > AS0 ROA is yet another thing we can take into consideration. > > Di > > > 2021年3月11日 23:07,George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> 写道: > > > > Is there a role for use of AS0 ROA, to "punch out" the elements > > between /len and /maxlen, that are not "wanted" in routing? > > > > Is there a role for short-life AS0 ROA, to mark the "emergency use" > > more specifics, So they can come live on the time for the AS0 to die > > out or be repudiated, but not have to be announced until needed? > > > > (C/F Randy: George: stop inventing things we don't need) also (C/F > > this may not actually be a new thought bubble)\ > > > > -G > > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 5:34 PM Di Ma <madi@rpstir.net> wrote: > >> > >> Jakob, > >> > >>> 2021年3月10日 21:07,Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz= > 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> 写道: > >>> > >>> I agree that a hijack is made easier when a ROA exists without a > corresponding BGP advertisement. > >>> > >>> Implementing DDOS and RTBH as indicated in the draft is difficult > without the ROAs for the required BGP announcements. As indicated in the > draft, creating and distributing the ROAs required for RTBH and DDOS > scrubbers is time consuming. > >>> > >>> Note that these ROAs are not required throughout the entire BGP space, > the world. > >>> These ROAs are only needed near the AS requiring these services, thus > distributing them > >>> around the entire world, just for some local RTBH implementation is > disruptive to the > >>> rest of the world. > >>> > >>> To help with these "limited distribution ROAs" that are required > quickly, and in > >>> a smaller space than the entire BGP space, I propose to invent a new > BGP address > >>> family to publish them. Using BGP to publish a ROA enables fast > distribution > >>> and allows to limit the distribution to only those ASes that need it. > >> > >> As I am maintaining RPSTIR the RP Software, I have been working on a > feedback mechanism to enable RP to learn from BGP announcements to > establish local/neighbor view. In the context of RPKI, I see those ASes > sharing the same one RP are local. > >> > >> I think your proposed "limited distribution ROAs” is going to help > create local/neighbor view. > >> > >> Granted, we may have the ROA validation by RP not the router itself and > should work on the interface between them. > >> > >>> > >>> Anybody want to help me write a draft? > >> > >> Count me in if you think an RP implementor can help. > >> > >> Di > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sidrops mailing list > >> Sidrops@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >
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- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Matthias Waehlisch
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Matthias Waehlisch
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Matthias Waehlisch
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Ben Maddison
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Di Ma
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen George Michaelson
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Di Ma
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Ben Maddison
- Re: [Sidrops] draft-sidrops-rpkimaxlen Christopher Morrow