Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-up from Apr Interim meeting)
Christopher Morrow <christopher.morrow@gmail.com> Mon, 04 May 2020 15:31 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-up from Apr Interim meeting)
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On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:07 AM Stephen Kent <stkent=40verizon.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Job, > > On Sun, May 03, 2020 at 03:56:22PM -0400, Stephen Kent wrote: > >> Yes, Section 6 of RFC 6486. > >> > >> I believe that most of the changes will arise in 6.2, 6.3, 6.4, 6.5, and > >> 6.6. > > The current draft (draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-manifest-validation-00) > > replaces Section 6 entirely. I don't know if that aligns with IETF > > etiquette and it has to be done paragraph by paragraph, but I hope this > > helps clarify our thinking. > > I'll see what my co-authors think, but I'm more of an angle hair past > guy myself :-) did you mean 'angel hair pasta' ? :) (which I agree, far better than that gross fat worm pasta... but...) > > I think most of 6.1 is OK and I plan to reuse most of it in the rev. The > ambiguity arises in the discussion of what an RP SHOULD/MUST do when an > object is missing or in error, which is what the latter parts of Section > 6 address. i think this was the meat of the previous discussion: "originally we left a lot of wiggle room, because <reasons>" and today/now: "uhm, leaving this much wiggle room was ... oops! folk would REALLY like to understand the tradeoffs in a succinct manner (that does not require phd in pkix) and some better guidelines on what they should set as default behavior that can/will set a base security/safety level for their deployment." which I think is the goal of job's draft? I understood from previous email conversations on the WG list that the previous author set was happy to suggest improvements but had no time/$$ for the full edit job? Is there now time/$$ for the editoring to happen? (maybe I'm confused, which totally could be the case) -chris (off reading current draft: https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-manifest-validation-00.txt) > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops
- [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-up f… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Stephen Kent
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Stephen Kent
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Stephen Kent
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Stephen Kent
- Re: [Sidrops] About the use of manifests (follow-… Christopher Morrow