Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sieve-notify-xmpp-00.txt

Alexey Melnikov <alexey.melnikov@isode.com> Wed, 17 May 2006 10:35 UTC

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Peter Saint-Andre wrote:

>Dave Cridland wrote:
>
>>I think I might be the first person to comment about this on the list...
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>Quite possibly. :-)
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>>It seems odd that the XMPP message stanza used here has no obvious
>>identification as a notification 
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>Typically, notifications in XMPP are sent using type='headline'
>(indicating that no response is expected).
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>
>>specifically, XMPP, being XML based,
>>could hold (for instance) an OMA EMN, or some other XML element which
>>indicated that it was a notification, and ideally provided some
>>identification of what the account involved was.
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>Something like the following?
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>imap:user@host
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IMAP-like URL

imap://user@host
?

>>Personally, I'd be happiest with a URI to the new message, where
>>possible, but i appreciate there's security concerns there.
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>What form would such a URI take?
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Can be an IMAP (draft-ietf-lemonade-rfc2192bis-02.txt) or HTTP URL.

>IMHO the account and message identification considerations belong in
>draft-ietf-sieve-notify rather than in the XMPP "profile" thereof (which
>would simply provide an instantiation of those considerations).
>  
>
Maybe you are right, but I don't think that draft-ietf-sieve-notify can 
prescribe any particular URI type, because this would vary from one 
deployment/implementation to another.

>>If such an XML element were to be put in place, I'd find it nicer it it
>>contained the urgency as a normal XML attribute, rather than SHIM. I
>>just don't like SHIM.
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>I would not have deep objections to coming up with a more XML-ish format
>(XMPP extension) for urgency.
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