Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sieve-notify-xmpp-00.txt

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@jabber.org> Wed, 17 May 2006 20:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sieve-notify-xmpp-00.txt
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Dave Cridland wrote:
> 
> On Wed May 17 11:35:21 2006, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
>>>> Personally, I'd be happiest with a URI to the new message, where
>>>> possible, but i appreciate there's security concerns there.
>>>>    
>>> What form would such a URI take?
>>>  
>> Can be an IMAP (draft-ietf-lemonade-rfc2192bis-02.txt) or HTTP URL.
>>
>>
> Could reasonably be a mailto: URL, too, which might merely identify the
> email address the mail arrived at, as a fallback. 

True. Or, presumably, a pop: URI.

> (OMA's EMN format uses
> a non-IANA registered scheme for that kind of thing, too).

Non-IANA-registered schemes are scary to me.

>>> IMHO the account and message identification considerations belong in
>>> draft-ietf-sieve-notify rather than in the XMPP "profile" thereof (which
>>> would simply provide an instantiation of those considerations).
>>>  
>> Maybe you are right, but I don't think that draft-ietf-sieve-notify
>> can prescribe any particular URI type, because this would vary from
>> one deployment/implementation to another.

Sure. Presumably we can say that the account and message SHOULD be
identified by a URI, but that the scheme to use or prefer shall be
determined by local service policy.

> It could say "Notifications SHOULD include a URL for the recipient to
> use as a hint for locating the message. Where the nature of the
> notification allows, this SHOULD be marked in a machine-readable manner
> (such as an attribute in XML)."

I'd strike the parenthetical clause in sieve-notify and in the xmpp
profile say something about how to encapsulate such a URI in an
appropriate XMPP extension (e.g., JEP-0066).

Peter

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