RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD strength when sending NOTIFY
"Sriram Parameswar" <sriramp@nortelnetworks.com> Thu, 13 December 2001 22:17 UTC
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From: Sriram Parameswar <sriramp@nortelnetworks.com>
To: 'ranjitka' <ranjitka@email.masconit.com>, 'sip' <sip@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD strength when sending NOTIFY
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Yes - pls see Events Draft. Sriram -----Original Message----- From: Ranjit Avasarala [mailto:ranjitka@email.masconit.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:08 PM To: Parameswar, Sriram [NGB:B692:EXCH]; 'Robert Sparks'; 'JF Rey'; 'sip' Subject: RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD strength when sending NOTIFY is it a standard SIP message? like 200 Regards Ranjit -----Original Message----- From: Sriram Parameswar [mailto:sriramp@nortelnetworks.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:51 PM To: 'ranjitka'; 'Robert Sparks'; 'JF Rey'; sip Subject: RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD strength when sending NOTIFY 202 signifies that the Transferee has "Accepted" your REFER. It is not an indication of success or failure - that will come in the NOTIFY. HTH. Sriram __________________________________________ Sriram Parameswar Phone: 972-685-8540 Interactive Multimedia Server (IMS) Fax: 972-685-3563 Nortel Networks, Richardson USA Email: sriramp@nortelnetworks.com -----Original Message----- From: Ranjit Avasarala [ mailto:ranjitka@email.masconit.com <mailto:ranjitka@email.masconit.com> ] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 12:54 PM To: 'Robert Sparks'; 'JF Rey'; sip Subject: RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD strength when sending NOTIFY what does 202 signify? Regards Ranjit -----Original Message----- From: Robert Sparks [ mailto:rsparks@dynamicsoft.com <mailto:rsparks@dynamicsoft.com> ] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:07 AM To: 'JF Rey'; sip@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD strength when sending NOTIFY inline > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Rey [ mailto:jfr@post.com <mailto:jfr@post.com> ] > > Hi, > > I'm a bit confused about the way NOTIFY are used by the > "referee" party. > > referer referee > |====== SIP session ===| > |--------REFER-------> | > |<--------202--------- |----INVITE --> > | |<---180------ > ... quite a long time ... > |<------NOTIFY ------ |<---200------ > |----------200-------->| > |---------- BYE ------>| > > draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 states : > "3.5.3.1 Using NOTIFY > Once it is known whether the reference succeeded or failed, > the UA receiving the REFER SHOULD notify the agent sending > the refer using the NOTIFY mechanism [...]" > > All the example flows I've seen around use the NOTIFY > mechanism whenever a REFER is accepted. > > If I understand the "SHOULD" strength correctly, the referer > can't know whether the referee will send a NOTIFY. So it > can't know when to stop waiting for a NOTIFY and when to send > a BYE. I think that's quite awkward. The referer is going to have to be prepared to never receive a NOTIFY whether that requirement is a MUST or a SHOULD. IIRC, the proponents of SHOULD earlier argued that they had systems where they knew the referer did not care about the result and didn't want the referee/network to be burdened with an effectively useless NOTIFY. However - later in the message you caused me to realize we need to realign with sip-events. See below. > > Besides, I understand that nothing prevents a referee to send > NOTIFY on provisional responses (and not only on final > responses). But the way the sentence is written : "whether > the reference succeeded or failed" does not really take > provisional responses into account. No example in > draft-ietf-sip-cc-transfer-05.txt shows NOTIFY triggered by > 1xx. If the referee INVITEs a human, the referer may have a > very long time to wait before receiving a NOTIFY triggered by > the 200 response to the INVITE. This clarification has already been requested and will be added to the drafts. I don't understand how the last sentence relates to the rest of the paragraph though. It is correct in the presence or absence of NOTIFYs carrying progress information. > > Do people implement REFER without the NOTIFY mechanism ? I don't know. If someone does it would help if they speak up. > > If > we can't change the SHOULD strength, could we have a way for > the referee to indicate that it will send NOTIFY ? The current sip-events draft requires an immediate notify, so I think this may be moot. I think we need to align to that change in sip-events - and the SHOULD you object to effectively goes away. However, when implementing, you still need to protect yourself against a NOTIFY never arriving for robustness. >Could the > wording in 3.5.3.1 include NOTIFY on provisional responses ? Yes RjS _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip <http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip> This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip <http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip> This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
- [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD strength w… JF Rey
- RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD streng… Robert Sparks
- RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD streng… Ranjit Avasarala
- RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD streng… Sriram Parameswar
- RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD streng… Ranjit Avasarala
- RE: [Sip] draft-ietf-sip-refer-02 - SHOULD streng… Sriram Parameswar