RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-events-00
Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan@acmepacket.com> Sun, 02 December 2007 19:17 UTC
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From: Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan@acmepacket.com>
To: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@cisco.com>, Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 14:16:58 -0500
Subject: RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-events-00
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I think we're getting wrapped around an issue that just doesn't matter. The probability of this case is very small, and even if it happens so what? It's like a DTMF tone got lost. The user has to re-enter their digits. That happens regularly in the real world with cell phones, with 2833, and could happen with KPML (I think). As long as it's a rare occurrence per user, it doesn't really matter. -hadriel > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Kyzivat [mailto:pkyzivat@cisco.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:17 PM > To: Christer Holmberg > Cc: sip@ietf.org; DRAGE, Keith (Keith) > Subject: Re: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-events-00 > > > > Christer Holmberg wrote: > > Hi, > > > >>> In particular, one area which needs to be covered is > >>> how the embedded information tranfer caters for out of sequence > >>> delivery, given that the carriage mechanism does not guarantee order > of > >>> delivery in all circumstances of SIP usage. > >> I'm wondering what you have in mind here. > >> > >> It is possible to send request R1 then send R2 before getting a > response > >> to R1. And then it is possible for R2 to arrive before R1, and in that > >> case it will be accepted. But then, when R1 arrives there will be a > CSeq > >> error so it will be rejected. > >> > >> The end result is that you can get *nondelivery* of a message, but not > >> *out of order delivery*. > > > > The problem is that if the receiver receives a message with Cseq=X, it > doesn't matter whether it will receive Cseq=X-1 later, because CSeq > doesn't have to be incremented by one. > > I'm not sure if we are agreeing or talking past one another. > > If R1 is sent with Cseq=X and R2 is sent with Cseq=X+1, and R2 is > received first, it will be considered a valid request even though there > was a gap in the Cseq numbering. Then, when R1 finally arrives, its Cseq > will be too small, so the request will be rejected. > > > I guess the question is: > > > > Shall it be possible to send a new INFO with the SAME Info Package type > as in an ongoing INFO transaction? > > > If you have negotiated multiple Info Package types, being forced to only > have one outstanding INFO transaction is too restrictive, I think. > > It doesn't matter if it is the same info package type or not. This is a > fundamental problem with sending multiple requests concurrently in a > dialog. There is nothing you can do in the specification of INFO that > will improve on this. > > Fixing that would require changing the basic nature Cseq processing in > 3261. I don't know about you, but I am not going to recommend that. > > Rather, I think the restriction to one outstanding transaction must be > accepted as a limitation of using the INFO technique. > > Paul > > > Regards, > > > > Christer > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Paul > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip > > This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol > > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip > > Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip > This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip > Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip _______________________________________________ Sip mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sip This list is for NEW development of the core SIP Protocol Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sipping@ietf.org for new developments on the application of sip
- [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-events-00 DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Paul Kyzivat
- VS: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Christer Holmberg
- VS: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Christer Holmberg
- RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Sanjay Sinha (sanjsinh)
- RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… DOLLY, MARTIN C, ATTLABS
- Re: VS: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-e… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Paul Kyzivat
- RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Hadriel Kaplan
- VS: VS: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-e… Christer Holmberg
- RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- RE: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Dean Willis
- Re: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Adam Roach
- Re: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Dale.Worley
- Re: [Sip] Comments on draft-kaplan-sip-info-event… Dean Willis