[sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - Technical recommendations
worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Tue, 20 December 2016 21:17 UTC
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Subject: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - Technical recommendations
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"Olle E. Johansson" <oej@edvina.net> writes: > In regards to the current draft for connection-oriented SIP flows, I > am not happy about copying a lot of text from the Happy Eyeballs RFC > into this doc. > > Happy Eyeballs is a large solution space and the important part of the > RFC is the requirements - the solutions vary. Copying text from that > RFC could mean we copy stuff that is out of scope and already old > compared with today's implementations and that we by accident limit > the solution space for SIP, which would be unfortunate. The SIP > solution for setting up a connection is in no way different from other > protocols and thus I think we will be better off and have a smoother > path to publication by just pointing to the Happy Eyeballs RFC than > starting to copy parts without us authors having current > implementation experience. Ultimately, what goes into this draft/RFC is the working group's decision. But in the mean time, we can check that we've got a correct understanding of this tranche of the problem, so that decision becomes essentially editorial rather than technical: - Have we got the separation of requirements and solutions right? The requirements (on SIP devices) should be stated with MUST. Solution advice should be stated with SHOULD or even non-normative language. - Have we got up-to-date recommendations for the solutions? Most of the current language is copied from RFC 6555. Are there known improvements on that of wide applicability? - Are the recommendations that are relevant for SIP but not for HTTP, and thus are new relative to RFC 6555, properly done? (This is section 5 in draft-worley-sip-he-connection-01.) So far, we haven't had much discussion of the technical content. Dale
- [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Dale R. Worley
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Roman Shpount
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Roman Shpount
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Asveren, Tolga
- Re: [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - DTLS as a … Adam Roach
- [sipcore] Happy Eyeballs for SIP - Technical reco… Dale R. Worley