Re: [sipcore] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-sipcore-dns-dual-stack-07: (with COMMENT)
worley@ariadne.com (Dale R. Worley) Fri, 19 August 2016 19:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [sipcore] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-sipcore-dns-dual-stack-07: (with COMMENT)
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"Spencer Dawkins" <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> writes: > Could you provide some explanation for the reader as to why SIP is > "different", following this statement? Even an example would be useful. > > Unfortunately, in common SIP situations, it is not possible to "race" > simultaneous request attempts using two address families. That's a good point, because the reason is non-obvious to a reader who hasn't hassled with SIP in unreliable network environments. Racing in HTTP is the sending of simultaneous TCP SYNs to two different addresses. The client then continues the handshake and sends the request to the address that responds first. The crucial fact is that opening a TCP connection to an HTTP server alone does not change the server's state. SIP requests are usually transmitted as single UDP packets, so sending two copies of the request to two different addresses risks having two copies of the request propagating through the SIP network at the same time -- the difference from HTTP is that the SIP element cannot test the route in a non-state-changing way. If two copies of the same request arrive at one client, the client must reject the second of them with a 482 response. But this rule is not sufficient to prevent user-visible differences in behavior because a proxy that is upstream of the second request to arrive at the client may (almost immediately!) serially fork the second request to further destinations. A version of this scenario that I saw in the wild is diagrammed in https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sipcore/current/msg06853.html. I've added this explanation to section 3.2. You can see the change in https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=draft-ietf-sipcore-dns-dual-stack-07&url2=http://svn.resiprocate.org/rep/ietf-drafts/worley/draft-ietf-sipcore-dns-dual-stack-08.txt Dale
- Re: [sipcore] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-… Spencer Dawkins at IETF
- Re: [sipcore] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-… Dale R. Worley
- [sipcore] Spencer Dawkins' Yes on draft-ietf-sipc… Spencer Dawkins