Re: [Sipping] A new draft on P2P SIP
Arjun Roychowdhury <arjunrc@gmail.com> Tue, 15 February 2005 19:48 UTC
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:17:17 -0500
From: Arjun Roychowdhury <arjunrc@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sipping] A new draft on P2P SIP
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Philip: some quick comments: *) Is this document a requirements document or an archirecture document ? It seems to have a little of both. Also, before we have a requirements specification on what a P2P network must do, one needs to have a common understanding/agreement on what really is a SIP P2P network and what goals it acheives. Your draft seems to concentrate only on telephony features. I am not sure if this is the only motivation. Either way, I would like to see more discussion on the scope *) I would suggest you not use the term that this draft addresses "Industrial-Strength" P2P while others may not. I believe one of the goals of the IETF is to specify real-life/stable solutions/protocols and I am sure this would also be the goal for any alternate drafts. If you believe that your I-D addresses a different network from others, do state it as so (I believe that is your intent) *) I don't believe the abstract of the draft really summarizes what is the scope of the document. For example, the draft mainly focuses on the need to provide the same functionality a PBX has without really having one. However, it does not talk about challenges in user/node discovery, fault management, cross network interop issues, Firewall traversal and such that a p2p network may address. If these are not addressed, then the scope of just replacing a PBX will intelligent phones in a defined/closed network becomes a much simpler issue. *) Section 3 seems to reccomend a functional architecture at a simple/20,000 feet view. I am not sure if this should be a part of a document when the need/scope/requirements are yet to be fleshed out. Also, since Section 3 is at such a high level, it is difficult to be able to discuss/argue on the need/functionality of this 3 level architecture. regds arjun On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:24:25 -0500, Philip Matthews <matthews@nimcatnetworks.com> wrote: > My co-worker, Behrouz Poustchi, and I have submitted a brief draft > contributing to the discussion around P2P SIP. In it, we present some > features that we would like to see considered in any P2P SIP standard > (or whatever it is going to be), based on our experience in this area. > > We are new to the SIPPING working group, but we hope that our draft > is a positive contribution to the subject, and would be happy to > participate in any work that is done in this area. > > The draft is available at: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-matthews-sipping-p2p-industrial-strength-00.txt > > Comments on the draft are very welcome. > > - Philip Matthews > > _______________________________________________ > Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping > This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip > Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP > -- Arjun Roychowdhury _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
- [Sipping] A new draft on P2P SIP Philip Matthews
- Re: [Sipping] A new draft on P2P SIP Arjun Roychowdhury
- Re: [Sipping] A new draft on P2P SIP Philip Matthews
- Re: [Sipping] A new draft on P2P SIP Arjun Roychowdhury
- Re: [Sipping] A new draft on P2P SIP Philip Matthews