RE: [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ring signal equivalents)
Henry Sinnreich <Henry.Sinnreich@mci.com> Tue, 01 July 2003 14:08 UTC
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Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 17:41:42 -0500
From: Henry Sinnreich <Henry.Sinnreich@mci.com>
Subject: RE: [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ring signal equivalents)
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> Such external interfaces were normal in the PSTN era. It was > easy to buy an extra ringer to place in the garden or in the > garage. It was easy to find strong flashing light alerters to > place in the factory. There are now other options, such as cordless phone, alerting devices, 802.11 SIP phones and one imagine also alerting devices that are optical and wireless. -Do you really want to propagate the those from the PSTN era? -Should this really be specified for all SIP phones? -What about the SIP business phones? (Related I-D) Henry > -----Original Message----- > From: sipping-admin@ietf.org [mailto:sipping-admin@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Gunnar Hellstrom > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 11:56 AM > To: 'Sipping@Ietf. Org'; A.vWijk@viataal.nl; 'Mike Spanner'; > 'James Hamlin'; paulej@packetizer.com; > Erik.Zetterstrom@omnitor.se; andreas.piirimets@omnitor.se; > barry.dingle@bigfoot.com.au; 'Guido Gybels'; > gv@trace.wisc.edu; 'Judy Harkins'; 'Trefor Davies'; Henry Sinnreich > Cc: trefor@trefor.plus.com; jorgen.bjorkner@hotsip.com; > marcelo@envilogg.se; rkumar@cisco.com > Subject: [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ring signal > equivalents) > > > In the discussion about the sipdev spec, > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sinnreich-sipdev-req > -01.txt , I had earlier got positive reactions on a proposal: > > In 4.9 Ringer Behaviour : add the section below for the > purpose of people in the garden, in noisy locations, and for > the use by deaf, hearing impaired, deaf-blind people. > > "SIP Telephony devices MUST provide an external interface to > an external alerting system." > > I cannot find much from that proposal in the new wording, so > I repeat the proposal a bit more elaborated: > > Such external interfaces were normal in the PSTN era. It was > easy to buy an extra ringer to place in the garden or in the > garage. It was easy to find strong flashing light alerters to > place in the factory. > > Such features must be remembered and available also in the > SIP era. In PSTN, the alerters were connected directly to the > phone network. Now, it is instead the SIP phone itself that > knows if it is called. Therefore it must be specified in the > SIP device spec. > > Currently there are two kinds of electrical interfaces to > alerting systems. > > Both are simple two wire interfaces. > > One is resistance oriented. It has a high resistance ( 1 > Mohm) until the alert is wanted. Then the resistance is low ( > below 50 ohm ). It can sustain a voltage of at least 50 V in > the inactivated state, and a current of 200 mA in the activated state. > > The other is voltage oriented. A voltage over the interface > triggers the alerting. 12 V direct or alternating is common. > > Since both usually are available on alerting systems, I > suggest that it can be sufficient to provide the resistance > oriented one on SIP phones. > > I would also suggest an extension with a Bluetooth interface. > Using the serial port profile, and giving an AT command > response "RING" as the basic standard. It might be suitable > to have extensions from this basic version into variants > where you can specify some characteristics of the alert. > > So, my proposal is to change from: > .....................................Current > writing.......................................... > 4.9 Ringer Behavior > > The manner in which a user is alerted to an incoming call > (visually, > audibly or possibly both) MAY be used by the device. This includes > the different volumes and MAY point to a file that contains the > melody for the ringer alert. > > Ringer sound files MAY be specified for the following types of > incoming calls normal, high priority, internal and external. > > Different ringer sound files MAY also be associated with different > lines. > > The location of a call MAY also be indicated. This allows using the > phone by hearing-impaired or in noisy environments where external > speakers are used to render the sound. The location of the call is > also useful for paging by speakerphones. > :::::::::::::::::::End of current > writing::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > To: > ::::::::::::::::::New > proposal::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > 4.9 Ringer Behavior > > The manner in which a user is alerted to an incoming call > (visually, > audibly or possibly both) MAY be configured in the device. > This includes > different volumes and the configuration MAY point to a > file that contains a > melody for the ringer alert. > > Ringer sound files MAY be specified for the following types of > incoming calls: normal, high priority, internal and external. > > Different ringer sound files MAY also be associated with different > lines. > > The location of a call MAY also be indicated. This allows using the > phone by hearing-impaired or in noisy environments where external > speakers are used to render the sound. The location of the call is > also useful for paging by speakerphones. > > SIP Telephony devices MUST provide an external interface to > an external alerting system. This allows free positioning > and selection of an alerting > system that may be visual, audible or tactile or any > combination of these modes. > An external interface MAY be a two-pole electrical > interface offering > low resistance (<50 ohm) during ring signals, and high > resistance ( > 1 Mohm ) between > ring indications. > It MAY also be a Bluetooth inteface with the serial > profile sending the "RING" > message at each ring signal. > -------------------------------------End of modified > proposal------------------------------ > > > Agree? > > > Gunnar Hellstrom > ------------------------------------------- > Gunnar Hellstrom, Omnitor, Renathvagen 2 > SE 121 37 Johanneshov, SWEDEN > Tel: +46 8 556 002 03 Mob: +46 708204288 > e-mail: gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se > web: www.omnitor.se > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping > This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP > Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current > sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP > _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
- [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ring signa… Gunnar Hellstrom
- RE: [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ring s… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ring s… Michael Hammer
- SV: [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ring s… Gunnar Hellstrom
- RE: [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ring s… Henry Sinnreich
- Re: SV: [Sipping] Sipdev, incoming call alert (ri… Henning Schulzrinne