[Sipping] RE: Comments on draft-ietf-sip-cc-transfer-05
Robert Sparks <rsparks@dynamicsoft.com> Fri, 11 January 2002 05:22 UTC
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From: Robert Sparks <rsparks@dynamicsoft.com>
To: "'Elwell, John'" <John.Elwell@siemenscomms.co.uk>, Robert Sparks <rsparks@dynamicsoft.com>, "'sipping@ietf.org'" <sipping@ietf.org>
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Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:59:27 -0500
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Subject: [Sipping] RE: Comments on draft-ietf-sip-cc-transfer-05
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> -----Original Message----- > From: Elwell, John [mailto:John.Elwell@siemenscomms.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:14 AM > To: 'rsparks@dynamicsoft.com'; 'sipping@ietf.org' > Subject: Comments on draft-ietf-sip-cc-transfer-05 > > > Robert, > > 1. I understand this document is in WG last call. However, there is a > dependency on the Replaces header, which appears to have > expired. In my > opinion the Replaces header is an essential part of transfer, > as a means of > avoiding getting 486 Busy Here in response to an INVITE to an > agent that > does not have call waiting or equivalent. In particular, this > is likely to > arise when the destination of the INVITE is in a legacy network. The > Replaces header would provide a means for the call agent > acting as gateway > to the legacy network to associate the INVITE with the original call, > thereby avoiding establishing a second call through the > legacy network with > a fair chance of encountering a busy destination. Also there could be > charging implications, particularly in the case where the > INVITE is sent > from the transfer target to the transferee - the transfer > target could end > up paying for a call that was originally being paid for by > the transferee. > > Therefore what steps are being taken to formalise the Replaces header? Rohan Mahy is taking on editorship of the draft - I'll let him comment on its status. > > 2. In section 4, item 2, it says "The Transferor and the > Transferee must not > be removed from a session as part of a transfer transaction." > It might be > better to say "....until the conclusion of a transfer > transaction". In fact > the examples all seem to show the clearing down of the > original session on > conclusion of transfer. The point is that the refer transaction does not terminate the dialog between the transferor and the transferee - some other action must be taken to accomplish that (specifically a BYE). See the REFER draft for a better statement of it - I'll be sure the language in the transfer draft is updated to match. > > 3. In 7.2, it should be noted that the transferee call agent > may respond to > the INVITE from the transfer target with 486 Busy Here unless > it has a means > to accept a second call (e.g., call waiting). Similarly in > some of the later > diagrams. Or works with Replaces - I'll make sure that possibility is called out somewhere in the document so that future readers won't have to rediscover it. > > 4. In 7.4, 2nd sentence, there appears to be an erroneous reference to > 4.5.1. Thanks - will fix. > > Regards, > > John > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > John Elwell (john.elwell@siemenscomms.co.uk) > Siemens Communications Limited, > Technology Drive, Beeston, > Nottingham NG9 1LA, UK > Tel: +44 115 943 4989 Fax: +44 115 943 4969 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Internet communications are not secure and therefore Siemens > Communications Limited does not accept legal responsibility > for the contents > of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely > those of the > author and do not necessarily represent those of Siemens > Communications > Limited unless otherwise specifically stated. > > > _______________________________________________ Sipping mailing list http://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sipping This list is for NEW development of the application of SIP Use sip-implementors@cs.columbia.edu for questions on current sip Use sip@ietf.org for new developments of core SIP
- [Sipping] Comments on draft-ietf-sip-cc-transfer-… Elwell, John
- [Sipping] RE: Comments on draft-ietf-sip-cc-trans… Robert Sparks
- [Sipping] RE: Comments on draft-ietf-sip-cc-trans… Rohan Mahy
- Re: [Sipping] RE: Comments on draft-ietf-sip-cc-t… Dean Willis