Re: [Sml] text/plain and SML data display

[Bogomil Shopov <[e-mail]>]

Hi again :)

On 2/8/24 11:34, Marcel Bokhorst wrote:
> You're welcome, Bogomil.
>
> You can configure to download the plain text part only on the 
> connection settings tab page, but be prepared that the plain text part 
> might be absent, and also that it might contain a short summary of the 
> HTML part only (unfortunately that happens regularly too).

I am not sure I understand. What connection setting tab? I asked a 
hypothetical question. If I use text only e-mail how this XML group sees 
the display of the AML specific data in this context.


Whether it's present or not, that I agree is another question

>
> The specification "SHOULD/MAY" isn't necessarily what happens in 
> practice. Email clients and email servers are broken in so many ways. 
> There are literally hundreds of workarounds for all kinds of issue in 
> the app!
But if we define a RFC or a specifications, it's good to be fair. 
Whether someone will implement it or not - again, this is up to them.
>
> There is a reason I have put hundreds of hours into the reformatted 
> message view ...
I'd love to learn more about that effort. Are you talking about a 
specific e-mail client?
>
> Kind regards, Marcel
>
>
> Op do 8 feb 2024 om 11:29 schreef Bogomil Shopov <[e-mail]>:
>
>     Thanks Marcel,
>
>     My comments are inline:
>
>     On 2/8/24 11:21, Marcel Bokhorst wrote:
>     > Hello Bogomil,
>     >
>     > The default is to show reformatted HTML, which will not be the
>     same as
>     > the original message, but will be 100% safe while showing a
>     subset of
>     > useful styling options. This is in between plain text only and full
>     > HTML, with less of the disadvantages of both.
>     I don't want to  switch to HTML. I was wondering what would be the
>     experience for users such myself and some other users using plain
>     text
>     manly/only for many reasons.
>     >
>     > You can switch to the original message view (full HTML) with a
>     button
>     > just above the message text near the right side.
>     >
>     > It is also possible to download the plan text part only and load
>     the
>     > HTML on a case by case basis when needed. I don't recommend this,
>     > though, because more than a few people missed important
>     information,
>     > simply because there are more and more senders that do not send the
>     > plain text part anymore! :-(
>     This is understandable. I was reading the spec and in order to
>     work the
>     message SHOULD (i cite) both text/plain and text/html. Should this be
>     then adapted in the specification to MAY (rfc2119) in such case?
>     >
>     > My recommendation is to use the default reformatted message view.
>     >
>     > Kind regards, Marcel
>     Have a wonderful day!
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Op do 8 feb 2024 om 11:15 schreef Bogomil Shopov
>     <[e-mail]>:
>     >
>     >     Hello everyone,
>     >
>     >     I hope you are having a wonderful day. I was inspired by
>     FOSDEM to
>     >     look
>     >     deeper into the topic and I am fascinated by the work done
>     already.
>     >     Thanks a ton.
>     >
>     >     I have more like a observation than question.
>     >
>     >     As a fan of the text/pan format only, what would my experience
>     >     will be
>     >     in my email client? I know it depends on the developers of
>     course,
>     >     but
>     >     I'd love to hear some more thoughts.
>     >
>     >     Do you think it's going to be in-mail text/plan placement
>     like #1
>     >     or an
>     >     additional pane (HTML or native) as in #2 (see the screenshot).
>     >
>     >     If this list is not good for such discussions, please let me
>     know.
>     >
>     >     Also, is there anything I can help with?
>     >
>     >
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