Re: [Sml] text/plain and SML data display

[Bogomil Shopov <[e-mail]>]

On 2/8/24 11:56, Bogomil Shopov wrote:
> Hi again :)
>
> On 2/8/24 11:34, Marcel Bokhorst wrote:
>> You're welcome, Bogomil.
>>
>> You can configure to download the plain text part only on the 
>> connection settings tab page, but be prepared that the plain text 
>> part might be absent, and also that it might contain a short summary 
>> of the HTML part only (unfortunately that happens regularly too).
>
> I am not sure I understand. What connection setting tab? I asked a 
> hypothetical question. If I use text only e-mail how this XML group 
> sees the display of the AML specific data in this context.
I meant SML for both cases ^^. I need to turn the spelling off.
>
>
> Whether it's present or not, that I agree is another question
>
>>
>> The specification "SHOULD/MAY" isn't necessarily what happens in 
>> practice. Email clients and email servers are broken in so many ways. 
>> There are literally hundreds of workarounds for all kinds of issue in 
>> the app!
> But if we define a RFC or a specifications, it's good to be fair. 
> Whether someone will implement it or not - again, this is up to them.
>>
>> There is a reason I have put hundreds of hours into the reformatted 
>> message view ...
> I'd love to learn more about that effort. Are you talking about a 
> specific e-mail client?
>>
>> Kind regards, Marcel
>>
>>
>> Op do 8 feb 2024 om 11:29 schreef Bogomil Shopov <[e-mail]>:
>>
>>     Thanks Marcel,
>>
>>     My comments are inline:
>>
>>     On 2/8/24 11:21, Marcel Bokhorst wrote:
>>     > Hello Bogomil,
>>     >
>>     > The default is to show reformatted HTML, which will not be the
>>     same as
>>     > the original message, but will be 100% safe while showing a
>>     subset of
>>     > useful styling options. This is in between plain text only and 
>> full
>>     > HTML, with less of the disadvantages of both.
>>     I don't want to  switch to HTML. I was wondering what would be the
>>     experience for users such myself and some other users using plain
>>     text
>>     manly/only for many reasons.
>>     >
>>     > You can switch to the original message view (full HTML) with a
>>     button
>>     > just above the message text near the right side.
>>     >
>>     > It is also possible to download the plan text part only and load
>>     the
>>     > HTML on a case by case basis when needed. I don't recommend this,
>>     > though, because more than a few people missed important
>>     information,
>>     > simply because there are more and more senders that do not send 
>> the
>>     > plain text part anymore! :-(
>>     This is understandable. I was reading the spec and in order to
>>     work the
>>     message SHOULD (i cite) both text/plain and text/html. Should 
>> this be
>>     then adapted in the specification to MAY (rfc2119) in such case?
>>     >
>>     > My recommendation is to use the default reformatted message view.
>>     >
>>     > Kind regards, Marcel
>>     Have a wonderful day!
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Op do 8 feb 2024 om 11:15 schreef Bogomil Shopov
>>     <[e-mail]>:
>>     >
>>     >     Hello everyone,
>>     >
>>     >     I hope you are having a wonderful day. I was inspired by
>>     FOSDEM to
>>     >     look
>>     >     deeper into the topic and I am fascinated by the work done
>>     already.
>>     >     Thanks a ton.
>>     >
>>     >     I have more like a observation than question.
>>     >
>>     >     As a fan of the text/pan format only, what would my experience
>>     >     will be
>>     >     in my email client? I know it depends on the developers of
>>     course,
>>     >     but
>>     >     I'd love to hear some more thoughts.
>>     >
>>     >     Do you think it's going to be in-mail text/plan placement
>>     like #1
>>     >     or an
>>     >     additional pane (HTML or native) as in #2 (see the 
>> screenshot).
>>     >
>>     >     If this list is not good for such discussions, please let me
>>     know.
>>     >
>>     >     Also, is there anything I can help with?
>>     >
>>     >
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