Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6 excluding Well Known Ports

Wojciech Dec <wdec.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 03 June 2014 09:11 UTC

Return-Path: <wdec.ietf@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: softwires@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF661A0188 for <softwires@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:11:03 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.999
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wdvBmLzGvNH3 for <softwires@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 372EB1A017F for <softwires@ietf.org>; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id x12so6270088wgg.18 for <softwires@ietf.org>; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:10:53 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vqGjX6eC9QsXVVqOKeHlTbqekMuL4cmAa6o3R/lkAQI=; b=fjFxm3dQYYP2c7HKrFgxzw/jY/gwpn5hK8nWph9IJikGrQhiHedaVR27/dA+BBdZFB 3p6GOBFxmi3yMkzGMEXx41syE9zwMyelyIAPMRqScNZDyZIOfCAh048Snm0g0Mg12KpS DrLMzoPzbPNVgCF1g+DfUXasGP9hU6ycsWlrzP7y5pV6bHjhZOsJUY7QIcJiBGNgYk/6 6HHeV5ZgC0g+XYwqGnCLDlHo4HWpmTsfYXyg+jVeA/1P2AkA3z94WzdRxaodlspCxBKK EctGczH9IGFQF7CnezTEalTTOj+OJt4Rkxly7TLRevFGhLQ6Gwz59qHQpiyN3CntDfXR 5YfQ==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.180.82.133 with SMTP id i5mr31029188wiy.50.1401786653224; Tue, 03 Jun 2014 02:10:53 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.194.165.71 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2014 02:10:53 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <CEE0FE7C-9204-494D-8229-E055E57FAF85@cisco.com>
References: <53422B8F.2020109@ericsson.com> <37A243DD-5249-4070-AB19-6DFFCFE17AA7@gmx.com> <DC98AF70-DBF1-48AD-8699-2FC4E645FF40@cisco.com> <C3B32B71-79EE-408F-A92C-D40021DC9A5A@gmx.com> <92E51E75-2914-421F-B222-7478EC3D6A02@cisco.com> <BBFBDEAA-0D2B-4A74-86E4-88824712EA26@gmx.com> <CAFFjW4igsiqS5yNUECerMzpZSkmPaL28sqef1usZdxt87y1jEw@mail.gmail.com> <538CB982.2060502@gmail.com> <CAFFjW4jxY=fjCszomzHyWhYtb+1QE+bN-afp_Qi5_32WxUydJg@mail.gmail.com> <538CD547.8070108@gmail.com> <CAFFjW4hqGQ0-oxTcgtFeWgbZRBj5d+82YWJT5Dfh763PORZCYw@mail.gmail.com> <CEE0FE7C-9204-494D-8229-E055E57FAF85@cisco.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:10:53 +0200
Message-ID: <CAFFjW4gE2byQ7YYZMQfZ3YksmjF2pGYYMp6=A+G1HhY8WHmqTg@mail.gmail.com>
From: Wojciech Dec <wdec.ietf@gmail.com>
To: Ole Troan <ot@cisco.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f46d04428c9884343204faeae31e"
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/softwires/PWGJAgUDfSE7skPvMXirqdKIbpA
Cc: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6@tools.ietf.org, Softwires WG <softwires@ietf.org>, Yong Cui <cuiyong@tsinghua.edu.cn>
Subject: Re: [Softwires] draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6 excluding Well Known Ports
X-BeenThere: softwires@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: softwires wg discussion list <softwires.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/softwires>, <mailto:softwires-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/softwires/>
List-Post: <mailto:softwires@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:softwires-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires>, <mailto:softwires-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 09:11:04 -0000

Could you show a working example of that in action, along with the set of
PSIDs containing the usable port ranges?

Cheers




On 3 June 2014 10:51, Ole Troan <ot@cisco.com> wrote:

> Woj,
>
> in the LW46 case, you can still do a=0, and ensure that you don't
> provision any PSID which results in the well known ports.
>
> cheers,
> Ole
>
> >
> > On 2 June 2014 21:49, Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There's a difference between setting a=6 and setting aside the lowest
> PSIDs because they occupy that port space. The value of a determines how
> ports are assigned to each PSID, but does not affect the usable PSID
> numbering space.
> >
> > I think that you should illustrate how you think this would work before
> we reach a conclusion.
> > A setting of a=6 arrives precisely at what the goal is here, exclude
> ports 0-1024. So if there is a need to have another way of achieving that,
> by creating some excluded magic PSID value that corresponds to 0-1024, we
> would like to know why is that relevant and how it is supposed to work in a
> system where the PSID conveys to the CE the port-range.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> >
> > RECOMMENDED is part of the RFC 2119 boilerplate. The (unintentionally)
> missing term is NOT RECOMMENDED.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 02/06/2014 3:27 PM, Wojciech Dec wrote:
> > Well, I'm referring to the "RECOMMENDED" part. If the recommendation is
> NOT
> > to allocate ports 0-1024, then this effectively recommends that a-bits=6.
> > Moreover the meaning of SHOULD vs RECOMMEND should be questioned. The
> > latter is not a regular normative term, and arguably if the
> recommendation
> > is for excluding 0-1024 then a=6 looks like the SHOULD. If anyone wants
> the
> > full port set, then a=0 would be an obvious consequence.
> >
> >
> > On 2 June 2014 19:50, Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not sure how you read that, but it can be fixed by putting a comma after
> > "SHOULD be 0" and replacing "to allocate" with "thus allocating".
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On 02/06/2014 12:14 PM, Wojciech Dec wrote:
> >
> > Uhm, this appears to mean that the RECOMMENDED a-bits SHOULD be 6.
> >
> >
> > On 26 May 2014 13:24, Ian Farrer <ianfarrer@gmx.com> wrote:
> >
> >   Hi,
> >
> > This one slipped my mind….
> >
> >   From a discussion with Ole during the MAP dhcp last call, there was a
> > discussion about the exclusion of provisioning WKPs to CPEs -
> > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/softwires/current/msg06010.html
> >
> > In previous versions, the lw4o6 used to reference
> > sun-dhc-port-set-option,
> > which also stated that the WKPs should not be assigned. This advice got
> > lost when changing to reference map-dhcp for PSID format.
> >
> > Here’s a wording change proposal to resolve this:
> >
> > Section 5.1
> >
> > Original text (last sentence, para 7):
> >
> > "For lw4o6, the  number of a-bits SHOULD be 0."
> >
> > Proposed change:
> >
> > "For lw4o6, the number of a-bits SHOULD be 0 to allocate a single
> > contiguous port set to each lwB4.
> >
> > Unless a lwB4 is being allocated a full IPv4 address, it is RECOMMENDED
> > that PSIDs containing the well-known ports (0-1023) are not allocated to
> > lwB4s.”
> >
> > Please let me know if you are OK with the proposed change.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Ian
> >
> >
> >   Good spot on the WKP exclusion. Before the lw4o6 draft was updated to
> >
> > reference map-dhcp for configuration,  the port configuration was
> > described
> > in sun-dhc-port-set-option, which also stated that the WKPs should not be
> > assigned. This advice got lost when changing to reference map-dhcp. I’ll
> > make a suggested text update for the lw4o6 draft to fix this. Does that
> > work for you?
> >
> >
> > yes, that would be good.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Ole
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Softwires mailing list
> > Softwires@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Softwires mailing list
> > Softwires@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>