[Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-piraux-space-constellation-code-00.txt
Maxime Piraux <maxime.piraux@aerospacelab.com> Mon, 27 October 2025 10:45 UTC
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From: Maxime Piraux <maxime.piraux@aerospacelab.com>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "space@irtf.org" <space@irtf.org>
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Subject: [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-piraux-space-constellation-code-00.txt
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Hi Michael, > I find that this specification is a bit outside what I think the IETF^WIRTF > should be doing... but I understand why this is important to be able to do > simulations of predicted routing outages. > > It seems that one does not really need to know the detailed positions of the > various satellites, one needs to know which links are getting noisy/failing, > have failed, and which ones are starting to get better, or are 100%. I computed the distances between satellites in my experiments as I wanted to set a lower bound on the one-way delay of the OISLs. I expect it to be mostly influenced by the propagation time, hence the computation of the distance. This is very specific to my routing experiments indeed but it still a relevant part of these systems. As I mentioned, I don't have enough expertise on the physical layer to propose a credible model, i.e., a model that somewhat tightly fits the problem space and doesn't cover too much surface that isn't relevant in reality. > In the low-power IoT space, in ROLL, RFC6550 and friends deals with ETX > metrics for links. What I'd want: > > 1. a way to name links. There is some recent work in OPSAWG to better > describe customer connections in YANG. > A Network YANG Data Model for Attachment Circuits > draft-ietf-opsawg-ntw-attachment-circuit-16 > maybe this could be repurposed. I'll take a look at these works. Where I want to go next with the constellation code is defining how these links are established, given that for a satellite with 4 OISLs in a Walker Delta constellation, there is only one sensible assignment pattern that I am aware of. > 2. a way to describe (to simulators) how ETX on links changes. > Yes, given the elements/data from space-constellations, one can generate > that, but I have two observations: > a. the routing experts aren't orbital experts (and vv). > b. craft away from the earth would need to be described differently A goal of this document, written from my perspective coming from an Internet protocols background into the aerospace industry, is precisely to educate routing persons on the orbital dynamics of constellations. I think there isn't so much needed to get there. Then, one or more implementations of the code could compute interesting metrics of constellations in this perspective. Indeed, currently the code only considers Walker constellations with circular orbits around Earth, but it could be expanded to other types of orbits (for instance elliptical orbits). Cheers, Maxime
- [Space] TR: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Maxime Piraux
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Peter Ashwood-Smith
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Maxime Piraux
- [Space] Earth Observation, Lunar and Mars Communi… Felix Flentge
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Kevin Shortt
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Juan A. Fraire
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Maxime Piraux
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Maxime Piraux
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Michael Richardson
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Maxime Piraux
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Jorge Amodio
- [Space] Re: New Version Notification for draft-pi… Lloyd W