Re: [lamps] Call for Adoption of draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-sigs

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Subject: Re: [lamps] Call for Adoption of draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-sigs
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Hiya,

On 16/04/2024 19:29, Russ Housley wrote:
> At IETF 119, there was a short discussion of
> draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-sigs.  The authors asked for a call for
> adoption, and no one offered any reason not to move forward at that
> time.
> 
> This message starts a two-week call for adoption of this document.
> Please say whether you support adoption of this document by Tuesday,
> 30 April 2024.

(Perhaps unsurprisingly;-) I oppose adoption.

I don't think we have a sufficient understanding of the
costs of adding composite sigs to x.509 based PKIs, and
how those costs will be distributed amongst the various
parties involved, nor about what's likely or unlikely to
be deployed, to fire ahead now and define a pile of new
composite sig algs. To do proper engineering, we should
IMO have such an understanding before we start spraying
out new OIDs each of which imposes costs on participants
in PKIs.

Cheers,
S.

PS: I could also raise objections about lower level
details of the draft but those could perhaps be handled
after adoption, e.g. whether, and if so what kinds of,
RSA sigs to include shouldn't be based on what's possible
but on what's likely to get adopted esp. by real CAs,
relying parties and key holders.