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Re: [lamps] On the need for standardization of software-based interoperable private keys [was: Re: draft-ietf-lamps-samples: PKCS12 expertise needed (including objects for comparison)]

David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> Thu, 05 August 2021 19:16 UTC

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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "spasm@ietf.org" <spasm@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [lamps] On the need for standardization of software-based interoperable private keys [was: Re: draft-ietf-lamps-samples: PKCS12 expertise needed (including objects for comparison)]
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On Thu, 2021-08-05 at 12:27 -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> If we can get the legacy guys to open up their code, why fix PKCS12 if they
> could just move to PKCS8? (or PKCS1 or...?)

My recollection is that PKCS#8 doesn't actually specify the character
set to be used for the passphrase fed into PBKDF. Even RFC8018
lamentably just refers to UTF-8 as a "possibility".

This makes it kind of awful for interchange.

At least PKCS#12 mandates a BMPString. Not that software generating
PKCS#12 objects has always got *that* right, mind you...

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