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Re: [spring] Going back to the original question for the Spring WG (was: Re: Beyond SRv6.)

James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com> Tue, 10 September 2019 12:59 UTC

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From: James Guichard <james.n.guichard@futurewei.com>
To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>, "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com>
CC: Rob Shakir <robjs@google.com>, Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>, SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>, Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>
Thread-Topic: [spring] Going back to the original question for the Spring WG (was: Re: Beyond SRv6.)
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Subject: Re: [spring] Going back to the original question for the Spring WG (was: Re: Beyond SRv6.)
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I don’t think anyone is trying to make themselves look superior. Presumably the IETF wants to build technologies that are actually deployed in real networks – it is clear that there are multiple publicly announced SRv6 deployments (I can think of at least 5) and from what I can see from the numerous email threads there are several operators stating that SRv6 satisfies their needs (and this is based on real deployment knowledge not theoretical technical purity) and no other additional encapsulation technique is necessary.

My .2c

Jim

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Sander Steffann
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To: Zafar Ali (zali) <zali@cisco.com>
Cc: Rob Shakir <robjs@google.com>; Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; SPRING WG List <spring@ietf.org>; Shraddha Hegde <shraddha@juniper.net>; Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>
Subject: Re: [spring] Going back to the original question for the Spring WG (was: Re: Beyond SRv6.)



[ZA] Please refer to section 3 of SRv6 deployment draft, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-matsushima-spring-srv6-deployment-status-01#section-3<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-matsushima-spring-srv6-deployment-status-01%23section-3&data=02%7C01%7Cjames.n.guichard%40futurewei.com%7C87bab78edf0e4c4d22d108d733b7f0b8%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637034737431602731&sdata=rfo13CsN3LjWzPWDzGUE48kvRjrnXEbzIHc7obLm144%3D&reserved=0>. It provides some details on the Significant industry collaboration that led to SRv6 standardization. SRv6 standardization went through the rigorous IETF process (some may say much more rigorous than typically done at IETF).

Throwing massive resources at something, sending many emails and creating many tickets don't represent "significant industry collaboration". They can equally represent ratholing, endless discussions and massive disagreement.

Stop trying to make yourself look superior. That has no place in the IETF. Statement like that are pathetic in my view. Please focus on technical excellence instead.

Cheers,
Sander

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