Re: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)

[Martin Horneffer <[e-mail]>]

Hi Jakob,

the security consideration is a good one.
However I am not asking for more than LDP used to do for decades.
An MPLS backbone needs to make sure that MPLS packets are not accepted 
from untrusted neighbors.

Best regards, Martin


Am 28.08.20 um 20:31 schrieb Jakob Heitz (jheitz):
> It all hinges on "useable next hops". If the connected next hop
> (a bgp next hop may not be connected) has a correct route for the
> packet, then it is useable.
>
> One more consideration: With the BGP free core, external devices
> cannot send packets to your internal routers. Once you allow to
> forward packets without a labelled route, you need to make sure that
> this protection remains.
>
> Regards,
> Jakob.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: spring <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Martin Horneffer
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 3:35 AM
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> Subject: [spring] to drop or to forward unlabelled (Re: Question on RFC8660)
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> may I come back the the question below? Or rather let me update it a little:
>
> In case an SR-MPLS path is broken, should a node rather drop the packet,
> or forward it?
> This can happen whenever the IGP points to a certain next hop, but that
> neither supplies a valid SID, nor allows LDP-stitching for whatever
> reason. For PUSH as well as for CONTINUE.
>
> We have been using MPLS transport and a BGP free core since about two
> decades now, using LDP. In the analog case, LDP creates "unlabelled"
> entries in the LFIB, does the equivalent of a POP operation and forwards
> the packet to the next-hop as chosen by the IGP.
>
> This behavior obviously breaks any traffic that relies on a service
> label, but it can protect some traffic.
> In our case a huge percentage of all traffic still is public IPv4. This
> needs MPLS only for a transport label, be it LDP or SR-MPLS. If this
> traffic gets forwarded unlabelled, it follows an IGP default route to a
> central device, where it is 1) redirected to the correct destination and
> 2) counted in a way that operators can quickly see whether and where
> this kind of failure occurs at some point in the network.
>
> After more operational experience and several internal discussions we
> agreed that we want packets to be forwarded unlabelled rather than
> dropped. Anyone to share, or oppose this position?
>
> Best regards, Martin
>
>
> Am 31.01.20 um 16:50 schrieb Martin Horneffer:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> again it seems the interesting questions only show up when applying
>> something to the live network...
>>
>> We ran into something that poses a question related to RFC8660: What
>> is the exact meaning of section 2.10.1, "Forwarding for PUSH and
>> CONTINUE of Global SIDs", when the chosen neighbor doesn't provide a
>> valid MPLS path?
>>
>> The relevant sections reads:
>>
>>        -  Else, if there are other usable next hops, use them to forward
>>           the incoming packet.  The method by which the router "R0"
>>           decides on the possibility of using other next hops is beyond
>>           the scope of this document.  For example, the MCC on "R0" may
>>           chose the send an IPv4 packet without pushing any label to
>>           another next hop.
>>
>> Does the part "send an IPv4 packet without pushing any label" apply to
>> PUSH and CONTINUE, or just to PUSH?
>> Does R0 have to validate that neighbor N can correctly process to
>> packet? Or can it forward the packet regardless?
>>
>> The reason for asking is that we are now seeing issues similar to ones
>> we had when starting with LDP based MPLS about two decades ago:
>> traffic being black holed even though a path to the destination
>> exists, because the MPLS path is interrupted somewhere in the middle.
>>
>> With LDP we know the case of LFIBentries called "unlabelled". While
>> this does break connectivity for many kinds of service, e.g. those
>> relying on an additional service labels, it still works for plain
>> IP(v4) traffic. In our cases, this works perfectly fine for all
>> internal routing and control traffic. And even for IPv4 traffic that
>> gets collected by a central router that injects a default route.
>>
>> However, depending on the exact interpretation of the above paragraph,
>> an implementor might feel obliged to chose the next paragraph:
>>
>>        -  Otherwise, drop the packet.
>>
>> Which is, at least in our case, very unfortunate...
>>
>> Any advice or opinion appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Best regards, Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
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