[Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY

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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 19:26:41 +0000
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Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY
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Folks,

The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justify this requirement, we should drop it.

The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations will have more FIB entries than others.

Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.


                                             Ron



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