Re: [stir] Making STIR SIP messages smaller

Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com> Wed, 14 April 2021 03:10 UTC

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Subject: Re: [stir] Making STIR SIP messages smaller
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On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 11:01 PM Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us> wrote:

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> *From: *Roman Shpount <roman@telurix.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 10:26 PM
> *To: *Richard Shockey <richard@shockey.us>
> *Cc: *Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>,
> Chris Wendt <chris-ietf@chriswendt.net>, Alec Fenichel <
> alec.fenichel@transnexus.com>, Marc Petit-Huguenin <
> marc@petit-huguenin.org>, Mary Barnes <mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com>, "
> stir@ietf.org Mail List" <stir@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [stir] Making STIR SIP messages smaller
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> Maybe this would be a reason to get sipcore to actually look at the TCP
> (and other reliable protocols) and fix the design issues. I know this is
> boring, but I could not get anyone interested in making TCP work as
> reliably as UDP or to scale as well.
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> RS> Never. You have to be out of your mind. NO one is going to fix TCP.
>

    I misunderstand me. I meant fixing SIP over TCP or other reliable
protocols.


>  The problem is that even though the Identity header is mandatory due to
> FCC regulations, making TCP work is not. So, carriers enable the Identity
> header and let calls (at least some of them) fail. I am just trying to be
> practical and minimize the disruption.
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> RS> I’ve personally lived with network disruption for 20 years or so. SIP
> itself and LNP .Look it would not take some of us a long time to write a ex
> parte filling to the CRTC, FCC or OFCOM asking them to mandate TCP for
> SIP/IMS signaling. I’m even now asking them to mandate protection of S/S
> data under the Code of Federal Regulations.
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> I do this for a living..
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> https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/1030722789616/Shockey%20Consulting%20FCC%20Exparte%20WC%2017-97%20March%202021%20copy.pdf
>

I know who you are and your views. I agree with a lot of them but I have to
live with the reality of existing systems. Since you think you can change
how the US telephone network operates, please make everyone use SIPS over
IPv6. It has been long overdue.
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Roman Shpount