Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number
Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Fri, 14 April 2017 17:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number
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Suggestion… OLD w/ the addition of SIZE to TelephoneNumberRange: TNAuthorizationList ::= SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry TNEntry ::= CHOICE { spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, one E164Number } ServiceProviderCodeList ::= SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String TelephoneNumberRange ::= SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { start E164Number, count INTEGER } E164Number ::= IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM ("0123456789#*”)) NEW: TNAuthorizationList ::= SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry TNEntry ::= CHOICE { spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, one TelephoneNumber } ServiceProviderCodeList ::= SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String TelephoneNumberRange ::= SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { start TelephoneNumber, count INTEGER } TelephoneNumber ::= IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM ("0123456789#*”)) If this is acceptable, then I ask the authors to make the changes and post an updated I-D. Russ > On Apr 14, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Peterson, Jon <jon.peterson@neustar.biz> wrote: > > > No mutual understanding of the semantics is required by the authentication > and verification services here - though in practice, calls that are routed > to destinations via a dial string with a * or # in it should end up going > to fairly specialized pieces of equipment, and I'm actually less worried > about canonicalization and so on being an issue for special dial strings > like this than I am for ordinary E.164 numbers. We're not placing any > restrictions on where in the dial string those non-numeric characters > might appear, as there doesn't seem to be anything gained by doing so > except introducing complexity. > > In terms of what to call it, if we can't agree on Freddie, I do think TN > or something similarly generic is appropriate. If we already have a group > field for TelphoneNumberRange, why wouldn't the base element be > TelephoneNumber? Or if we'd be overloading some existing registered name > by using that, like TelNum or something? > > Jon Peterson > Neustar, Inc. > > On 4/14/17, 10:56 AM, "Michael Hammer" <michael.hammer@yaanatech.com> > wrote: > >> Jon, >> >> Can the * and # be used arbitrarily anywhere in the string? >> >> Is there some semantic to those characters that needs >> to be understood by both the sender and receiver? >> >> Or does it not matter because the recipient only treats it as an opaque >> string? >> >> ________________________________ >> Michael Hammer >> michael.hammer@yaanatech.com >> +1 408 202 9291 >> >> © 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email >> confidentiality notice. This message is private and confidential. If you >> have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from >> your system. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peterson, Jon >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:19 AM >> To: Chris Wendt <chris-ietf@chriswendt.net> >> Cc: IETF STIR Mail List <stir@ietf.org>; Russ Housley >> <housley@vigilsec.com>; Martin C Dolly <md3135@att.com> >> Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number >> >> Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to support >> a corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not agonize over what >> to call the field. >> >> Jon Peterson >> Neustar, Inc. >> >>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt <chris-ietf@chriswendt.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing >>> name here, right? >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Martin: >>>> >>>> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that include >>>> digits and * and #? >>>> >>>> Russ >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C <md3135@att.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sean, >>>>> >>>>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful between >>>>> the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Martin >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>>>> To: stir@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>>> >>>>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename E164Number >>>>> to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>>>> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_stirwg_ >>>>> certificates_issues_4&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmp >>>>> w7ItG0r2g&m=UhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=DXAZMIa2681lT >>>>> 5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e= >>>>> and here's the PR showing the resulting change: >>>>> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_stirwg_ >>>>> certificates_pull_5&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7 >>>>> ItG0r2g&m=UhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=72Ta2iS7yNcl-FC >>>>> R5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e= >>>>> >>>>> What do people think? >>>>> >>>>> spt >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> stir mailing list >>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>> >>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_mailm >>>>> an_listinfo_stir&d=DwIGaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=G9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG >>>>> 0r2g&m=UhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=NSOnsQJ832JfPXkcoe >>>>> qf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e= >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> stir mailing list >>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Peterson, Jon
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Michael Hammer
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Russ Housley
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Russ Housley
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Michael Hammer
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Sean Turner
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number DOLLY, MARTIN C
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Sean Turner
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Peterson, Jon
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Chris Wendt
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Russ Housley
- [stir] Renaming E164Number Sean Turner
- Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number DOLLY, MARTIN C